People want to be openly racist again. That’s what MAGA really means.
And on this one should think a bit further and realize that any action causes a reaction.
Maybe outright socially punishing racism shouldn’t have been the focus, and instead more effort should have been spent making sure more people know how, well, genetics work and also dream of stuff not involving racial difference, like future space travel or peaceful united humanity, that kind of thing. So that they’d make their own conclusions and have their own wishes.
So - they are tired of “the establishment” not making anything better, and that means they are also tired of some rules of public decency associated with that establishment. One of the reasons MAGA activism looks so gross - they want it to look gross. Because “gross” is not like that picture of “respectable politics”, so already better.
In general studying psychology of people who are your opponents is beneficial. And especially hard when you can’t make yourself respect them.
Nothing quite like logging onto lemmy and reading the most “if minorities were nicer then people would be less racist” victim blaming comment. No, there is no world in which minorities rolling over and gently teaching misguided racists gets them equal rights. We have a systemic issue in the US where the right has been defunding education and pushing vitriolic rhetoric for decades. Minorities should not need to prove their humanity at every turn just to stay alive, nevertheless participate in politics.
Right, chase all racists back under their rock for another generation. They are openly declaring they do not wish to participate in our society when they speak that way.
What are you even saying? There is no statement in your statement.
There is.
Were anti-lynching laws a mistake?
No.
Was assertive anti-racist education a mistake?
Some of it - may be.
It sounds to me as if you advocate capitulation.
No, I advocate not hurting the definitely noble cause by actions clearly harmful. Force-feeding people something is a sure way to make them resist.
Anti-racist education shouldn’t be busy with throwing something people don’t believe into their faces. That absolutely never works, and the reason some other people want to do that is to assert dominance. They don’t have dominance to assert, they are bitches.
Knowledge of genetics (school biology level) is by itself a lot of what’s needed to discard racism as an approach.
Knowledge of history, economics and why social mobility matters are by themselves a lot of what’s needed to discard segregation as an approach.
Empathy too. Mark Twain and Harriet Beecher Stowe are in your school curriculum, are they not?
So then the statement in your statement seems to be racism should have no social consequences?
You really haven’t thought this through.
Racism bypasses rational thought, it’s a visceral reaction for those steeped in it. People operating at that level are immune to reason in the moment.
Maybe they can change over time? Sure give those sincerely seeking the grace they need. But power must be applied to preserve decent social standards.
I see the wisdom in speaking softly most times. It’s a tough pill to swallow but those soft words must be backed up by strength. There are behaviors and attitudes that simply cannot be allowed to prosper.
So then the statement in your statement seems to be racism should have no social consequences?
No, that racism shouldn’t be treated with whip because it is by itself a sentiment that becomes stronger this way.
The “dog eat dog” kind, if someone beats you for expressing it, you feel you are not being aggressive enough.
Maybe they can change over time? Sure give those sincerely seeking the grace they need. But power must be applied to preserve decent social standards.
I see the wisdom in speaking softly most times. It’s a tough pill to swallow but those soft words must be backed up by strength. There are behaviors and attitudes that simply cannot be allowed to prosper.
That is right in theory, but in practice people mostly choose strength over soft words when strength is acceptable.
Loving how every reply is being met with a “you can’t read!” instead of explaining wherever you believe the disconnect may be. It’s not you that’s wrong, it’s every person who’s replying to your comment that “doesn’t know how to read”
If only they knew how to read you could save yourself so much exasperation.
Seriously though, spell it out for us dunces in the back. What is everyone missing here?
instead of explaining wherever you believe the disconnect may be
I’ve literally said that. People thinking the reason for racists raising their heads is because they are not forced sufficiently harshly to thing and talk the right way - these people are complete idiots, or fixing the actual problem is not what they really want from the subject.
It’s not you that’s wrong, it’s every person who’s replying to your comment that “doesn’t know how to read”
This is incorrect, I’ve met some capable.
Seriously though, spell it out for us dunces in the back. What is everyone missing here?
You bunch of jerks are not “everyone”. See my answer to the first quote.
I did read your comment, that is why I responded the way I did. If you can’t link that minorities are the ones affected by racism, I don’t think that you should be commenting on racial politics in the US.
You don’t seem to be able to separate your own logic from the context of my conclusions, implicitly assuming either my context is the same, or it’s my fault if it’s not.
In other words, you are unprepared for any intelligent discussion, which your first reply shows well enough.
So much for who should be opening their mouth or touching their keyboard on whichever subject.
And that’s why you deserve whatever you get, because you are not even capable of properly reading a thought wiser than your whole fucking life, without even any pressure being put on you.
I said that if you punish people, they don’t go all “sorry uncle, I won’t do that again”, they go all “fuck you motherfucker, I’m getting a gun”. Is that clear?
So punishing anyone anywhere is a bad idea by default, there are very specific cases when there’s no better solution. Mostly when the other side can only be stopped by force.
Have you considered that your perspective on the matter could be skewed by your own inability to take critique maturely? Most adults are able self-reflect and grow as people from interactions with others of differing perspectives. It’s only a small percentage who react violently, and frankly, they are bullies who should not be catered to.
For Republicans it actually boosts their poll numbers.
People want to be openly racist again. That’s what MAGA really means.
Magazis.
And on this one should think a bit further and realize that any action causes a reaction.
Maybe outright socially punishing racism shouldn’t have been the focus, and instead more effort should have been spent making sure more people know how, well, genetics work and also dream of stuff not involving racial difference, like future space travel or peaceful united humanity, that kind of thing. So that they’d make their own conclusions and have their own wishes.
So - they are tired of “the establishment” not making anything better, and that means they are also tired of some rules of public decency associated with that establishment. One of the reasons MAGA activism looks so gross - they want it to look gross. Because “gross” is not like that picture of “respectable politics”, so already better.
In general studying psychology of people who are your opponents is beneficial. And especially hard when you can’t make yourself respect them.
Nothing quite like logging onto lemmy and reading the most “if minorities were nicer then people would be less racist” victim blaming comment. No, there is no world in which minorities rolling over and gently teaching misguided racists gets them equal rights. We have a systemic issue in the US where the right has been defunding education and pushing vitriolic rhetoric for decades. Minorities should not need to prove their humanity at every turn just to stay alive, nevertheless participate in politics.
Right, chase all racists back under their rock for another generation. They are openly declaring they do not wish to participate in our society when they speak that way.
They can chase you, idiot! Racists and other kinds of such are always the majority of people actually caring to apply force.
They are now assraping your country because they were chased under a rock for a generation. That’s the whole bloody reason!
What are you even saying? There is no statement in your statement.
Were anti-lynching laws a mistake? Was assertive anti-racist education a mistake?
It sounds to me as if you advocate capitulation.
There is.
No.
Some of it - may be.
No, I advocate not hurting the definitely noble cause by actions clearly harmful. Force-feeding people something is a sure way to make them resist.
Anti-racist education shouldn’t be busy with throwing something people don’t believe into their faces. That absolutely never works, and the reason some other people want to do that is to assert dominance. They don’t have dominance to assert, they are bitches.
Knowledge of genetics (school biology level) is by itself a lot of what’s needed to discard racism as an approach.
Knowledge of history, economics and why social mobility matters are by themselves a lot of what’s needed to discard segregation as an approach.
Empathy too. Mark Twain and Harriet Beecher Stowe are in your school curriculum, are they not?
So then the statement in your statement seems to be racism should have no social consequences?
You really haven’t thought this through.
Racism bypasses rational thought, it’s a visceral reaction for those steeped in it. People operating at that level are immune to reason in the moment.
Maybe they can change over time? Sure give those sincerely seeking the grace they need. But power must be applied to preserve decent social standards.
I see the wisdom in speaking softly most times. It’s a tough pill to swallow but those soft words must be backed up by strength. There are behaviors and attitudes that simply cannot be allowed to prosper.
No, that racism shouldn’t be treated with whip because it is by itself a sentiment that becomes stronger this way.
The “dog eat dog” kind, if someone beats you for expressing it, you feel you are not being aggressive enough.
That is right in theory, but in practice people mostly choose strength over soft words when strength is acceptable.
It’s right up there with “if you stopped acting so gay you wouldn’t get bullied”
Thank you for confirming that Star Trek fans are still incapable of reading a text.
Right? I can’t believe this person seriously responded to my comment with that bullshit. And people are upvoting him.
You can’t fucking read!
Loving how every reply is being met with a “you can’t read!” instead of explaining wherever you believe the disconnect may be. It’s not you that’s wrong, it’s every person who’s replying to your comment that “doesn’t know how to read”
If only they knew how to read you could save yourself so much exasperation.
Seriously though, spell it out for us dunces in the back. What is everyone missing here?
I’ve literally said that. People thinking the reason for racists raising their heads is because they are not forced sufficiently harshly to thing and talk the right way - these people are complete idiots, or fixing the actual problem is not what they really want from the subject.
This is incorrect, I’ve met some capable.
You bunch of jerks are not “everyone”. See my answer to the first quote.
Why did you type all that instead of actually reading my comment?
I mean, this is the best kind of illustration I could get for education allowing people to make right decisions and against pressure to behave.
You clearly lack said education and apparently think you can apply pressure.
Nothing I said has anything to do with minorities.
I did read your comment, that is why I responded the way I did. If you can’t link that minorities are the ones affected by racism, I don’t think that you should be commenting on racial politics in the US.
You don’t seem to be able to separate your own logic from the context of my conclusions, implicitly assuming either my context is the same, or it’s my fault if it’s not.
In other words, you are unprepared for any intelligent discussion, which your first reply shows well enough.
So much for who should be opening their mouth or touching their keyboard on whichever subject.
You lost me at “not socially punishing racism”.
Sorry but GTFOH with your racism apologism.
Republicans are also cutting education so fat chance getting these people educated also.
And that’s why you deserve whatever you get, because you are not even capable of properly reading a thought wiser than your whole fucking life, without even any pressure being put on you.
I said that if you punish people, they don’t go all “sorry uncle, I won’t do that again”, they go all “fuck you motherfucker, I’m getting a gun”. Is that clear?
So punishing anyone anywhere is a bad idea by default, there are very specific cases when there’s no better solution. Mostly when the other side can only be stopped by force.
Have you considered that your perspective on the matter could be skewed by your own inability to take critique maturely? Most adults are able self-reflect and grow as people from interactions with others of differing perspectives. It’s only a small percentage who react violently, and frankly, they are bullies who should not be catered to.
Have you considered that your own level of discussion might not be worth holding emotions inside wasting effort?