I mean even THIS YEAR the South Korean president made a fascist power grab and was arrested and removed from power. I would call that a successful attempt to stop fascism.
Literally WW2 stopped fascism. And I’m sure plenty of other times fascism was stopped at smaller scale. The punk scene for example.
Stop with this doomerism and actually get out of your comfy couch.
Did you even read the
fuckingarticle?Based on the historical record, there are exactly three ways this goes. Option one: Stop them before they take power. Option two: War. Option three: Wait for them to die of old age.
As far as doomerism goes, he outlines several possible avenues to stop things that require us getting off our “comfy couch”.
If the success rate is zero then how does he have successful attempts to pull these tactics from? Maybe don’t sensationalize a headline for clicks.
Is the headline clickbait? Sure. I’m not defending that. Guess the author could have incorporated this into the headline:
Once fascists win power democratically, they have never been removed democratically.
Feels like these are a bunch of nitpicks that distract from the main point of the article - that we need to act urgently and drastically to hope to stop this before fascists consolidate power.
A clickbait headline means you are bullshitting me right from the start.
I’m just saying if that’s you point, “shits hopeless” is a pretty bad headline. What you wrote was much better.
To be clear, I didn’t write that, it’s from article.
Yeah, you called someone out with “did you even read the fucking article?”. Should they? Sure. But yelling at someone for taking the headline at face value wasn’t warranted. Instead of talking down to them, maybe try an approach that gets people on your side and doesn’t make them think “whatever, fuck this douche”. And yes, I know I’m doing that to you now. It’s intentional. I have no desire to bring you “to my side”. I just think shitty behaviour should be publicly shamed more often.
Also, when I said “it’s from the article”, I was literally trying to give credit to the original author, since it seemed like you were attributing that to me. Feels weird to be downvoted for that.
The funny thing about your comment was that was the same sentiment I was expressing towards the other person. So point taken I guess?
I just think shitty behaviour should be publicly shamed more often.
Hear, hear!
The Irish called it “Irish Democracy” when they were under British rule, the silent, dogged resistance of millions who simply ignored laws they found illegitimate. Don’t protest. Don’t riot. Just don’t comply.
We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. These cannot coexist indefinitely.
Okay, but that’s also not true. The “blue” states are more than happy to extend unlimited corporate power to right-wing plutocrats. Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and the Big Three Auto Giants are all based out of Liberal turf. They’re centered in bright blue municipalities, even. The liberal institutionalists don’t seem to lift a finger for fear of wounding the Golden Geese of industrial fascism.
Blue states could request UN election monitoring.
The OSCE and the OAS already employ election monitors within the US.
The author of this article seems deeply misinformed. Neither can I find any corroboration of the research findings. I can only note that countries like South Korea, Chile, Cuba, and Mexico all ultimately ousted their fascist dictatorships and resumed a semblance of democratic function within a decade or two of their coups.
Fascism isn’t a permanent state of affairs nor is it a particularly stable form of governance (particularly over continental-sized landmasses). Fascist state leaderships can and do fail, paving the way for reformists and revolutionaries of varying stripes. And those reforms/revolutions can, in turn, fail and give birth to new generations of fascist government.
Wrong
The number of times a liberal democracy older than 50 years has turned to fascism - also zero.
Liberal democracy is surprisingly resilient, once it matures.
I’d say we can call it at least one, now.
The US was a liberal democracy?
Possibly. It’s not over until the fat lady sings.
Exactly where that point is will be clear in hindsight…
I claim the fat lady been singing.
If a population in a democracy cannot insist on public counting of ballots, and instead rely on private companies to tell them who won.
Then there is no hope for change until there is a complete replacement of the entire political class. And that can only happen in the future
Dude shut the fuck up voting machines are not the problem here
The degree to which people lack confidence in the mechanisms of the election gives way to people disregarding election results they don’t respect or support.
When a democracy is working, you’re ostensibly satisfying a majority (or significant plurality) of the public. When it has been undermined through manipulation, corruption, or fraud, you end up with a public told they’ve selected a candidate that only rarefied minority actually supports. The end result is civil unrest, which prompts unpopular leaders to staff up larger security forces, which furthers tension into an outright armed struggle.
Voting systems that feed into people questioning election results ultimately undermine the democratic system. But candidates who are deeply unpopular winning general elections also feed into people questioning election results.
Voting machines that are not open source, and do not print a paper ballot for public verification are the problem. They grant the capability to steal an election without an audit trail.
There’s a reason they were implemented, and their numerous proven vulnerabilities have never been fixed, and that reason was to steal elections. I’m not saying the election was “stolen” via direct election fraud, but there’s no way to know for sure.
Only outrage, but no logical defense. Do not be so hard on yourself if you later regret such an outburst.
Many people must believe in this system, often for deep seated needs. But these “machines” have no reasonable defense.
Okay, then, time to just give up, I guess.
/s
They’ve never tried in the U.S., with our government system. What happened elsewhere before means nothing.
Seems to me you already lost
Fascism already won the USA. Whether or not the people take the power back is up to the people, or whom ever survives WW3.
We lost, time to arm up.
get a 3d printer, as many drone engines and rotors and parts as possible. No need even open the boxes. just get them before you lose access to the supply chains
