• HubertManne@piefed.social
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    4 hours ago

    I honestly don’t think dei did shit one way or another and was all just a show. That being said I agree. Lets all get behind the constitution including all the bill of rights and argue about the other things once we have enough rights to do so in a civilized manner.

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      2 hours ago

      “We need to get my rights now. Your rights can come after we can argue about them in a civilized manner.” Setting aside the moral duplicity of this, it’s just not how you build a coalition. For them to fight for your rights, you need to fight for theirs with equal commitment.

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        2 hours ago

        So seperation of powers, the bill of rights including speech, assembly, due process, etc. Those are just rights for one person to you? The point is if we can’t express views and assemble or get a day in court then everything else is in the toilet. You need to get a clue.

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          Those are just rights for one person to you?

          These are rights for people who are economically well-off enough to exercise them. You don’t, in fact, have the right to due process if you can’t afford to miss work to exercise that right, and you don’t have the right to speech if your three jobs don’t leave you enough time to exercise that right. And you don’t have any of these rights if you’re being enslaved (and yes, it is slavery) by a for-profit prison. Constitutional political rights on their own are woefully insufficient to address the problems of minorities in America, and as they have repeatedly experienced, “later” more often than not is a synonym for “never.” Point being: If you have no answer for systemic discrimination in your program, then yes you’re not defending the rights of minorities experiencing that discrimination. The right of a black person to not be killed by the police is as or more important than your right to complain about the government.

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            1 hour ago

            This is a ridiculous stretch. This is exactly the path towards finding out what a real lack of rights are. This is the same all or nothing fallacious reasoning I see all the time online. I mean look what you said “If you have no answer for systemic discrimination in your program” now name a program that exists that 100% definitely has nothing that could be called systemic discrimination.

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              57 minutes ago

              This is exactly the path towards finding out what a real lack of rights are.

              Because the current and ongoing abuses of US minorities aren’t real, right? You’re really outing yourself here.

              now name a program that exists that 100% definitely has nothing that could be called systemic discrimination.

              There it is, folks, the all or nothing fallacious reasoning.