You know what really has to happen. Just nobody has the guts to do it.
It will take more than that. There is a lot of rot.
oh 10 or 15 ought to do it. The rest are cowards and will have always been agaisnt maga.
The only way to defeat us is if the Trump administration and the movement that undergirds it manages to divide us. We can’t let that happen. To win as a majority coalition, we must always invite everybody who believes in civil liberties and human rights.
Agreed. The purity testing and splintering into to niche issues is what always screws the left.
If people could just focus and align on some core root cause issues, like getting corrupt money out of politics, the message would be stronger.
All well and good, but what happens when someone comes to the meeting and says “we should end corruption and remove Trump, but I don’t like DEI policies.”
I’m guessing that will suddenly be added to the “root” cause and we’re right back into splintering and purity spirals again.
I’m guessing that will suddenly be added to the “root” cause
Hopefully yes, because that’s exactly what it is. You can’t fight fascism with fascism lite.
If everything is “root” then nothing is.
You… you think racism and xenophobia aren’t a root cause of this? If so, you should read a history book. Start from Nixon.
And here we go, a disagreement over policy balloons instantly into “racism and xenophobia” and an ally gets kicked out of the meeting because everything is black or white and no compromise is possible.
I find DEI policies to be a complicated topic, personally. I don’t oppose the basic idea and motive behind them, but I think they’ve been implemented poorly and often turn into discrimination in their own right. Am I now classed as “Trump supporter” in your eyes? I’ve been called a Trump supporter because I don’t like the recent Star Wars movies, so I’m sure a lot of people would indeed lump me in with him on that basis. And thus is proven the basic point about how Trump’s opponents are destroying themselves without Trump’s supporters having to lift a finger.
I honestly don’t think dei did shit one way or another and was all just a show. That being said I agree. Lets all get behind the constitution including all the bill of rights and argue about the other things once we have enough rights to do so in a civilized manner.
This comment chain is just chef’s kiss
We could have done that last November, but some people decided it was better to single-issue abstain / protest vote / spread FUD / otherwise get in the way. Yes, I’m still salty about that.
As you should be. Here we are.
I’m a salt mine over this. And now that they have full power, because fucking snowflakes couldn’t even bother to vote on the local and state level, they will not give up that power. People are dying, poor families with disabled children are losing healthcare, trans people are under federal attack, science and education is being gutted, and on and on, because of political edge lords.
There won’t be another chance. Vote next time or don’t, it won’t matter because fascists aren’t going to just say ‘welp, I guess I’ve been voted out now’. Like we were saying, 2024 was the last free election if they won. But they couldn’t be bothered.
Add some potatoes to me, I’m done.
I’m a salt mine over this.
I like that expression.
People are dying, poor families with disabled children are losing healthcare, trans people are under federal attack, science and education is being gutted, and on and on
According to the people we’re both salty at, that’s apparently an acceptable price to pay to “teach the Dems a lesson”. (That was one of the most common reasons they’d give last year, and yep, I’m still salty about that too).
But at least they saved Palestine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
People didn’t learn from the “Bernie Bros” who told people not to vote for Clinton in 2016.
Two things I always point out.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln in 1860, despite the fact that Lincoln was not an abolition candidate. At best he was willing to consider it. Douglas could have backed a full on abolitionsit, but he decided it was better to win with a poor candidate than to lose with a perfect one.
Second, MLK had a gay second in command. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin]
Rustin and King knew that 1960s America wasn’t ready for a gay rights movement, so they kept Rustin in the background.
Please stop repeating this myth. 80% of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016. This was up to 10% higher than the percentage of Clinton supporters who voted for Barack Obama in 2008.
Exactly.
Hillary lost because she was an unpopular candidate who represented The Establishment™ against an anti-establishment buffoon and then proceeded to botch her campaign, fucking around in Michigan (and then blowing the campaign.)
things like telling the SEIU not to focus on Michigan to “fool” trump into competing in Iowa.
Rustin and King knew that 1960s America wasn’t ready for a gay rights movement, so they kept Rustin in the background.
Though it is worth pointing out MLK’s movement continued to expand to other groups, was more of a pro-socialist push near the end and probably would have kept going, had he not gotten shot.
You can do whatever speculation you want, it doesn’t change the fact that King knew what was possible and what wasn’t.
I’ve seen people quote “Letter From the Birmingham Jail” over and over when they want to push people to action. They ignore the fact that King was a savvy politician who knew how to get the best results.
Left unity doesn’t include right wingers who are willing to throw away and entire election because they won’t stop supporting Israel. If you wanna win an election, try actually appealing to the left instead of obstinately moving farther and farther right along with the party you unconditionally support
I voted for Kamala btw, so don’t bother trying that angle. And I will never, for any reason, support newsom and his anti trans, anti homeless, fascist platforming ass. If you’re already supporting him, you’re exactly why Kamala lost, and why he’ll lose in 2028
Proof that this decided the election?
Doesn’t matter.
There was a clear and present danger that everyone with two brain cells to rub together was trying to prevent, and these people were actively standing in the way.
So you’re mad at something you’re not even sure had any actual effect? In that case I’m mad at the flying spaghetti monster for using 5G brainwaves to make people vote for Trump.
Let me state it as a parable: If the building was on fire and someone was blocking the fire exit, but I managed to escape by shattering a 2nd floor window, yes, I would be mad at the person blocking the exit.
And more so: This was, very much, a clear and present danger. As we are all experiencing now. None of what is happening now is a surprise. Yet those people still refused to help or lift a finger to prevent it.
You’re the one blocking the exit just now
Hilary’s campaign failed to adapt to Trump’s campaign
BBC probably had the best analysis, and you’ll note they don’t mention Bernie Bros.
In a country where millions more women vote than men, it was thought that her gender would give her a major advantage. But what became clear in the primaries against her rival Bernie Sanders was how hard she found it to enthuse young women voters especially about electing the country’s first female president, and shattering the most resilient glass ceiling in global politics.
Many women never warmed to her. Some remembered what were interpreted as disparaging remarks made when she was first lady about not wanting to stay at home making cookies. When Donald Trump accused her of enabling her husband’s affairs, and of attacking the women who accused Bill Clinton of molesting them, many women nodded in agreement.
Doubtless, old-fashioned, unreconstructed sexism played a part too: the refusal of many male voters to countenance a female president.
In a year when so many Americans wanted change, she appeared to offer more of the same. It’s always hard for a party to win three successive terms in the White House. The Democrats have not done it since the 1940s. But that problem was exacerbated by the fact that so many voters were bored with the Clintons.
With a baseball bat?
I was going to say rusty rebar
I was thinking a sock full of old batteries might be cheaper if you buy in bulk.
Well if he gets tetanus, he’d finally have to shut the fuck up.
With clubs, in a large group, Caesar-style, so nobody knows which of us did it?
The only way to defeat us is if the Trump administration and the movement that undergirds it manages to divide us. We can’t let that happen. To win as a majority coalition, we must always invite everybody who believes in civil liberties and human rights.
Sooooo we’re defeated? 1/3 of the population voted for this and is actively cheering it on, 1/3 don’t give enough of a shit to take action for whatever reason, and the last 1/3 are the target of the first 1/3.
How the fuck are we supposed to band together and “invite everybody that believes in civil liberties and human rights” when half of the country is either championing or passively allowing the stripping away of those rights? This would require the right wing to fundamentally shift their views on immigrants and gay people, which they obviously have no interest in doing.
All that was needed to defeat Hitler was to make the Nazis see Jews as people.
That’s pretty much what’s being said here. Can we please be realistic and not pretend that both sides are equal and valid in their rationale and behavior? If someone starts punching every gay person around them, you don’t tell the gay people to be more cooperative and understanding, you arrest the fucker and punish them.
Hopefully the military decide to end the clown show after that insanity earlier today
