Monopolies are a thing and the first few to the market with self driving systems will be ubiquitous. You can’t avoid it. Waymo/Google will license their solution to car manufacturers, who will be stuck with it because it’s going to be very expensive to get their own self driving certified in all their target markets.
Yes, let’s limit everyone to either walking/cycling, public transit, or megacorporation control over their freedom of movement. There’s certainly not a western government currently rounding up dissidents that would just tell their beloved corporations to drive people with certain backgrounds to Alligator Alcatraz.
Yes, but why are we giving them even more control over our lives voluntarily? Especially since we’re talking about something that can literally lock its doors and drive you to somewhere you didn’t want to go.
I’ve never been much of a conspiracy nut, but this is where I agree with them. I don’t want government and corporations to say when and where I can go. Walking is an option for me 90% of the time, and one I take very often, but what if I literally need to fucking escape an invasion? Considering it’s happening right now, 4 countries south of me, and said invader has demonstrated that they love taking down communications networks, what the fuck options am I going to have left if I need to drive 1000 km in a day and my car’s like “No Internet connection, I’m staying put”? If you’re in the US you don’t have THAT risk, but you still have the whole issue of a dictator being able to decide where you’re driving. Public transit is great, but it’s not ready for mass surges of people fleeing and if someone’s after you personally, it creates choke points (stations) where it’s easy to grab you. I’m not saying cars are super hard to track, but when there are a lot of targets, everyone being spread out means it’s harder to get a lot of people at once.
we used to have a system that broke up monopolies and with current hatred of these large businesses we will be going back to that very soon. Btw we are right now in that few choices stage. We’ll pass that by the time the tech is perfected.
lol. How dare I limit people to only: walking, biking, sailing, flying, skipping, horse/camel riding, electric scooter, electric bIke, piggy back rides, surf, skateboard, crawl, pogo stick, Tobagon, dog sled, horse carriage, astral projection…I’ve taken exactly one option away. You can’t drive yourself because it’s dangerous. You can’t eat human meat how dare they limit you to only a few options of meat! C’mon man I’m not buying that.
I don’t know, why DO we constantly give corporations more control over our lives? Why do you want to fix that by stopping something objectively good? That’s like saying you want more free speech but you’re starting with the n-word. It feels disingenuous. If you don’t want them to have that power… BUILD YOUR OWN. Btw we are currently in the step. “Lock it doors and drive yourself where you don’t want to go” that happens all the time in people driven cars as well. Maybe we should make laws against kidnapping people… oh wait it is already illegal.
People flee war zones now without the aid of cars, highways get clogged with traffic… which would be impossible if the cars drove themselves! It would be easier to evacuate people with self driving cars.
I’m not buying your arguments.
Edit: forgot a few
Trains, monorails, Zipline, parachute, Segway, subway, moving walkways… I might be back with more
I highly doubt it’ll go smoothly. IMO what will happen is driving standards will rise, driving tests will become extremely tough and need to be repeated every few years, and self driving tech will get cheaper and most people will just summon cars like Waymo rather than bothering to remain liscensed. There will have to be an offramp, not a firm cutoff.
Nope. We’ve already established you guys will never accept any steps to safety without throwing a fit.
It’s “go big or go home”. We’ll push hard and fast because we’ll get the same pushback regardless of how small the change. So change big.
How it’ll actually go is trucking will be taken over by automatic driving because it’s cheaper. The reduction in traffic and increase in safety will be seen and immediately we’ll push for a driving ban. You’ll probably get 3-5 years to retrofit your car or buy a knew one… then that’s it. No more dangerous drivers, no more traffic…
And yes people will probably ditch private car ownership in exchange for self driving free busses and cheap taxis.
Children will be able to walk to school safely finally.
The moment self driving cars are safe enough we are going to ban human drivers entirely
Naw. Too many people like driving, too many emergency situations that require a human. The most that will reasonably happen is people will prefer self-driving and driving test requirements will increase somewhat.
We very rarely ban old things, we mostly just convince people to use new things.
Want to know what I like? Cocaine. Lots of people loved cocaine. They banned it.
People threw a fit when they made drunk driving illegal too. They still made it illegal.
People loved asbestos as well, they banned that.
You can’t even sell milk directly from a cow in most states because of the dangers. Raw milk is banned.
People are fighting tooth in nail to try to re-legalize weed lol and it’s a huge uphill battle.
We ban old things all the time regardless of how well liked they are.
“Too many emergency situations require a human” not really as it would relate to driving… computers have much faster reflexes than a human. They will drive better. So what emergency are you thinking of? Car breaking down? Most people can’t fix thier own car anyway. The only change will be the car calling a tow truck instead of you.
You aren’t on a road and the car is confused about how to move around. You are now stranded because you can’t drive the car. I have yet to see any self-driving car even attempt to be reasonable in off-road driving.
Your buddy’s cabin in the woods, grass parking at a venue, natural disaster and the road is gone, a country driveway, getting into your backyard with the shit your bought at home depot, etc, etc.
You are driving not on the road and our confused about why you are. You are now stranded even though you are driving yourself.
See. The argument of “well the computer could get confused” people get confused all the time.
And again you said “yet” and that’s my whole point. It’s getting there. It’s only a matter of time before the computer can get to your buddies house quicker and better than you. And will probably be able to scan and avoid loose mud and snow so you don’t destroy your buddies lawn when you get stuck.
If I was that buddy of yours it would only be a matter of time before I make you park your personal driving car at the gate and walk up like how people don’t wear shoes in thier house. Don’t destroy my yard with your messy personal driving skills. Let the computer find you a place to park.
Btw we aren’t going to waste our time pushing for more speed cameras lol we are going to sit and wait and gather our energy.
The moment self driving cars are safe enough we are going to ban human drivers entirely, because humans suck at driving cars.
That’s the future for you guys. You flat out refuse to drive safely so we just won’t let you drive at all.
Yeeees, another thing Tesla and Google can fully control in our lives! Hurray!
I never said Tesla or google. Only self driving cars. Tesla didn’t invent the concept nor do they own it.
then don’t get involved with self driving cars. Just walk, problem solved.
companies are a thing. It’s who we buy stuff from. You’re going to have to get used to that.
I’ve never been much of a conspiracy nut, but this is where I agree with them. I don’t want government and corporations to say when and where I can go. Walking is an option for me 90% of the time, and one I take very often, but what if I literally need to fucking escape an invasion? Considering it’s happening right now, 4 countries south of me, and said invader has demonstrated that they love taking down communications networks, what the fuck options am I going to have left if I need to drive 1000 km in a day and my car’s like “No Internet connection, I’m staying put”? If you’re in the US you don’t have THAT risk, but you still have the whole issue of a dictator being able to decide where you’re driving. Public transit is great, but it’s not ready for mass surges of people fleeing and if someone’s after you personally, it creates choke points (stations) where it’s easy to grab you. I’m not saying cars are super hard to track, but when there are a lot of targets, everyone being spread out means it’s harder to get a lot of people at once.
we used to have a system that broke up monopolies and with current hatred of these large businesses we will be going back to that very soon. Btw we are right now in that few choices stage. We’ll pass that by the time the tech is perfected.
lol. How dare I limit people to only: walking, biking, sailing, flying, skipping, horse/camel riding, electric scooter, electric bIke, piggy back rides, surf, skateboard, crawl, pogo stick, Tobagon, dog sled, horse carriage, astral projection…I’ve taken exactly one option away. You can’t drive yourself because it’s dangerous. You can’t eat human meat how dare they limit you to only a few options of meat! C’mon man I’m not buying that.
I don’t know, why DO we constantly give corporations more control over our lives? Why do you want to fix that by stopping something objectively good? That’s like saying you want more free speech but you’re starting with the n-word. It feels disingenuous. If you don’t want them to have that power… BUILD YOUR OWN. Btw we are currently in the step. “Lock it doors and drive yourself where you don’t want to go” that happens all the time in people driven cars as well. Maybe we should make laws against kidnapping people… oh wait it is already illegal.
People flee war zones now without the aid of cars, highways get clogged with traffic… which would be impossible if the cars drove themselves! It would be easier to evacuate people with self driving cars.
I’m not buying your arguments.
Edit: forgot a few
Trains, monorails, Zipline, parachute, Segway, subway, moving walkways… I might be back with more
I highly doubt it’ll go smoothly. IMO what will happen is driving standards will rise, driving tests will become extremely tough and need to be repeated every few years, and self driving tech will get cheaper and most people will just summon cars like Waymo rather than bothering to remain liscensed. There will have to be an offramp, not a firm cutoff.
Driving isn’t going smoothly now. Nothing ever goes smoothly.
“Driving standards will rise yada yada”
Nope. We’ve already established you guys will never accept any steps to safety without throwing a fit.
It’s “go big or go home”. We’ll push hard and fast because we’ll get the same pushback regardless of how small the change. So change big.
How it’ll actually go is trucking will be taken over by automatic driving because it’s cheaper. The reduction in traffic and increase in safety will be seen and immediately we’ll push for a driving ban. You’ll probably get 3-5 years to retrofit your car or buy a knew one… then that’s it. No more dangerous drivers, no more traffic…
And yes people will probably ditch private car ownership in exchange for self driving free busses and cheap taxis.
Children will be able to walk to school safely finally.
Naw. Too many people like driving, too many emergency situations that require a human. The most that will reasonably happen is people will prefer self-driving and driving test requirements will increase somewhat.
We very rarely ban old things, we mostly just convince people to use new things.
We ban dangerous things people like all the time.
Want to know what I like? Cocaine. Lots of people loved cocaine. They banned it.
People threw a fit when they made drunk driving illegal too. They still made it illegal.
People loved asbestos as well, they banned that.
You can’t even sell milk directly from a cow in most states because of the dangers. Raw milk is banned.
People are fighting tooth in nail to try to re-legalize weed lol and it’s a huge uphill battle.
We ban old things all the time regardless of how well liked they are.
“Too many emergency situations require a human” not really as it would relate to driving… computers have much faster reflexes than a human. They will drive better. So what emergency are you thinking of? Car breaking down? Most people can’t fix thier own car anyway. The only change will be the car calling a tow truck instead of you.
You aren’t on a road and the car is confused about how to move around. You are now stranded because you can’t drive the car. I have yet to see any self-driving car even attempt to be reasonable in off-road driving.
Your buddy’s cabin in the woods, grass parking at a venue, natural disaster and the road is gone, a country driveway, getting into your backyard with the shit your bought at home depot, etc, etc.
“Yet” - you
Let’s explain it this way.
You are driving not on the road and our confused about why you are. You are now stranded even though you are driving yourself.
See. The argument of “well the computer could get confused” people get confused all the time.
And again you said “yet” and that’s my whole point. It’s getting there. It’s only a matter of time before the computer can get to your buddies house quicker and better than you. And will probably be able to scan and avoid loose mud and snow so you don’t destroy your buddies lawn when you get stuck.
If I was that buddy of yours it would only be a matter of time before I make you park your personal driving car at the gate and walk up like how people don’t wear shoes in thier house. Don’t destroy my yard with your messy personal driving skills. Let the computer find you a place to park.