Rules are here to be broken if society allows it.
You mean the leisure society we could have built when we started sucking cubic miles of oil out of the ground?
Good luck with that.
But our worth is already not tied to our protuctivity. It’s tied to our perceived importance. Whatever the fuck that means.
Yeah, I’m productive as fuck and not valued much at all. Wtf is this comic talking about.
I value you. We all do. Fuck capitalism, return to socialism.
Thanks but you and whoever else “we” is valuing me doesn’t pay my bills or help me reach my goals.
That’s… literally the point? We want socialism, which means we want to help pay your bills and support you to reach your goals. That’s what we want for everyone.
Great. How does that help me right now? You have no power to change society. If anything we’re going backwards. We’re not even a meritocracy like the original comic suggests. Comments like that are just empty platitudes.
“You have no power to change society.” He said as global uprising of socialist communities continued fighting in union.
What do you think we have been doing the past 100 years?
Losing? Trump is ripping everything out at the roots and nobody is doing a fucking thing about it other than post snarky comments on the internet.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels … upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” - Mario Savio
I knew this sounded familiar… Wretches and Kings
You wish you value was tied to your productivity. It would be a step up from this.
Right? Like Socialism’s goal is to build a meritocracy, as opposed to the oligarchy we have now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution
Meritocracies are still terrible and not the thing to strive for.
A big part of the problem is that we don’t measure externalities well. Like teachers and artists produce way more value than they’re paid for. Instead we only reward value that can be directly measured by your boss, and that value is compensated at as low a level as the boss can get away with.
Like teachers and artists produce way more value than they’re paid for.
They also receive more non-monetary satisfaction from their work. It balances out.
I can’t eat warm fuzzy feelings
You can eat with me. Bring the warm fuzzy feelings, too, if you can manage.
No it doesn’t. You can’t pay rent with non-monetary satisfaction
It really doesn’t. I’m sure that satisfaction exists, but when your pay doesn’t always let you eat, it’s hard to stay put for the satisfaction.
But then why stay put, if the pay and the satisfaction together are not sufficient compensation?
student debt
I understand that once a person has started a career, switching to a totally different career comes at a high price, so I suppose that instead I should ask “Why do you think that a person would choose to become a teacher, if he didn’t expect the satisfaction of teaching to make up for the relatively low pay?” The pay isn’t a secret and teaching generally requires a college education, which implies the opportunity to pick a different major and then start a different career.
I knew a woman from a poor background who was the first person in her family to go to college. She chose a major in English and a minor in Women’s Studies. I’m not saying that English majors can never get well-paying jobs, but I come from a “you can pick any career you want - doctor or lawyer” background so I was very surprised by her decision. Why would a person who didn’t have any money pick to study something that isn’t great for earning money? But she wasn’t stupid - she really liked English literature… Maybe she ended up working as a teacher.
go buy bread and sanitizing wipes with satisfaction
Like, y’all, i’m maximally confused.
How do i even put this …
What even is a good life according to you? Is it one in which you constantly work and that defines your self-worth?
what should it be tied to?
Making things better for the community according to your ability to do so.
Right, which is productivity and wealth since that means you are self reliant or can help those who are not
It’s not though because people exploit you for your labour. People like Bezos aren’t multibillionares because they work 10000x harder than a minimum wage worker, they get that wealth by exploiting others. And people like him don’t take the first few million and retire, they hoard all that wealth because people who are willing to exploit people to thay degree and make people piss in bottles aren’t going to be people who give a shit about helping other people.
We could live in a society where you’re free to work a little harder and be rewarded for it because you have to ability to do so and any extra cash you earnt could go to helping those less fortunate who aren’t able to work as much as you do.
Pretty sure that falls under the “productivity” umbrella, lol.
Under the current system “productivity” means making lots of money for your boss. If you work a job that’s valuable to society like being a teacher you still don’t get paid as much. Or if you’re an artist or you aren’t capable of working 40 hours a week you’re seen as a less productive member of society.
Being a valued member of society shouldn’t be based on working two full time jobs because if you can afford to pay all your bills and buy a nice car and house then that’s proof of your success.
This is a Monday comic.
but it has Tuesday vibes
Kid just needs to go to zombo com
The only limit is yourself
the unlimited is possible
You can do anything… at least if anything means to get slingshotted at green pigs.
I produce nothing, I create nothing. I just consume, travel, delve into my hobbies and enjoy life and don’t give a crap about my “value” others might or might not attribute to me.
I refer back to a note I wrote myself during the depths of despair after crawling back out from a total loss and had to rebuild my life.
“There is no wrong way to live. Just being here, experiencing anything is a cosmic miracle, it’s literally impossible to waste your life.”
That’s an awesome note. I often think the same thing and I wish I could spread that freeing realization to everybody I meet.
That is a mighty fine note you made mate :)
you ever do anything important though or just write notes about the cosmos?
Please describe to us what is important so that we may stand back in respectful awe and learn!
You can try to change it… Put all your energy into it, until you’re burnt out… and then you can finally find your place in this machine!
As raw fuel.
Existence is suffering.
Productivity is value creation.
It is inherent to the economic system. Any change will maintain that we judge people by what they create.
What the red bird most likely wants is that their actions are valued more. That requires an end to the market manipulations that devalue work. That’s possible but difficult.
A society that looks beyond value is more difficult. But nothing is stopping the red bird from not caring about their value in society to stop the productivity judgement from being relevant.
The blue bird is right though, you can do anything within the parameters of this soulcrushing machine. But for most trades the soul will be crushed.
I knew those birds reminded me of something.
(Content warning? Like, this is a really weird animation… Body horror?)
Like, what i don’t get is that i see both people here on this forum, on lemmy, advocating for “communism means workers own the factories they work in” (i.e. workers are solely upheld by their own productivity, example) and “people’s lifes shouldn’t be tied to their productivity” (this comic).
Please, y’all, make up your mind. Do you define yourself as somebody who inherently works hard and out of that draws their self-esteem, or is your self-worth independent of your productivity?
I think the people you are refering to wants better wealth distibution. They want a fair share of the value of their work. So that they can live comfortably and work less at the same time.
I also find it a bit strange that people are not allowed to express their dissatisfaction with the current system without having perfect reasoning as to why AND a holistic solution to their situation. I think you should be able to say “I’m not sure this is working” without also having the burden of being the architect of the future world laid upon you.
