• PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    I feel like those who believe him to be a vile scumbag will be reinforced in that belief and those that worship him will not be swayed in the slightest degree. Those that are grifting along don’t care either way.

    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Yup, by step-dad is in the second group. It’s honestly wild what kinds of mental gymnastics he has gone through to justify his vote. We had a surprisingly calm discussion about it the other day, and he genuinely doesn’t believe Trump was involved in any of it.

      He thinks Trump was, at worst, just running in some tangential social circles. He believes a lot of the revelatory stuff (like in this post) has been faked from other heads of state to try and discredit him. Like all of the “yeah the DOJ confirmed this is real. The FBI has been sitting on this for literal years or even decades now, as part of their international child trafficking investigations. Multiple news sources have also independently confirmed the validity of the sources” stuff doesn’t matter to him, because he simply chooses not to believe any of it.

      God Himself could descend from the heavens with a choir of angels, bust through my parents’ living room window, and slap my step-dad around while screaming that Trump is a pedophile who raped children on Epstein’s island. And my step-dad would defiantly look God in the eyes and tell Him that He’s wrong. There is no threshold that will make the proof believable for him. The goalposts will always be moved to require some new criteria before proof can be valid. And anything that does manage to meet the strict criteria for proof is too perfect, and obviously had to be manufactured in some grand worldwide conspiracy to discredit Trump. As Orwell wrote, “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

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      20 hours ago

      When he said he could shoot a man in the middle of Fifth Ave, he wasn’t joking.

      Many thought he was, that there’s a justice system that would convict him… But I think it’s finally dawning on these idiots too that indeed the orange shitstain was dead serious, and also correct.

      At this point not even terabytes of video evidence would waver his fans. You could literally play a video of him raping an infant on every screen of Times Square, and the MAGAts would be doing Olympic gold level mental gymnastics to explain, excuse and justify the video. It’s AI, he only did it because he was undercover FBI to take down the pedo rings, but what about XY of the Democrats who dared to have a dickpic on his personal laptop, and so on.

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        “Fake news!” they would cry. That reality denying phrase was unsurprisingly part of his political career from the very beginning for a reason.

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        i think that video would actually do it….
        for a trumpet: “the email is just words epstein typed in an email… he name dropped epstein all the time, so he made up some stuff… he’s a pedo so obviously not trustworthy.”
        it’s obvious to me that he’s a predator, especially having already been convicted, but there’s still no concrete proof.
        i dunno, i’ve seen people rationalize “even if he did they were 17, not 10” (i know they were younger but anyways).
        i saw a rumor that the epstein files have polaroids of a topless 15 year old girl sitting on trump’s lap….
        but then they’ll just say it was a bikini top optional beach and he’s like grandpa or some shit… also i think someone in the fbi would’ve blown a whistle on that….
        if we get video they’ll just say it was AI.
        ……
        my pet conspiracy theory is the reason all the billionaires are pushing AI so hard is because they’re all being blackmailed and once AL gets good enough it’ll nullify all video evidence…
        otherwise it doesn’t make sense to me that they’re trying to shove it into everything when most people don’t want anything to do with it and they’re all hemorrhaging money….

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        I mean I can’t believe it can be any worse than whats on the public record. I mean when he was asked whats to young on stern and he just is sorta giggling without saying no of course not.

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      There’s also a lot of people who just ignore things until there are lots of stories about evidence existing and then theh pay attention. That is the 20% or so chunk that started disapproving of Trump’s actions instead of not having an opinion over time. The ones that switch who they vote for from election to election based on whatever whim they have at the moment.

      This is a big deal to get those people to care about Trump’s history of rape.