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    Is it weird that I hope it’s set in the 32nd century? I want the timeline pushed forward, and to be honest I like the tech.

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    So if the CEO guy wants to make Star Trek more pro-American/Trump, is this going to be the first of the Nazi Star Trek?

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    It’s going to be abramsverse all over again.

    Look. If you wanna tell a new story… tell a new sci-fi story….don’t spackle Trek on it to sell merch.

    That’s how you get shows like St:Discotheque, where it makes more sense if the crew is huffing them space spores and tripping balls.

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      Wait, so stories with completely new characters and ships are bad, but stories using existing characters and ships are also bad?

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        Crappy writing is crappy writing, whether it’s old trek, nu trek, or serial-numbers-filed-off trek. Maybe take the time to develop them? It’s not as if they don’t have the time, with 18 months between seasons

        But also, I personally want exploration serials without an overarching story. But that’s my opinion.

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        The problem with both is that they disregarded established lore/canon/history. It isn’t that they refreshed ships to use more modern cgi /‘d practical effects.

        It’s that they ignored what made trek great to tell their own stories. Abram’s turned Kirk into a sniveling, narcissistic brat, literally the worst qualities from TOS and Pike his idiotic enabler.

        As much as I rag on TOS Kirk for chasing skirts, he’s not that bad of a person, he has narcissistic tendencies it also moments of selflessness. He’s complicated. Also basically Horatio Hornblower. Abram’s Kirk had no redeeming qualities except that SF admiralty was even dumber than him.

        As for Disco, it’s like someone shoehorned a different story into being trek. It’s clear that the show’s authors and producers only slapped Trek branding on the story for marketing.

        Writing inside an extremely popular, extremely well-developed universe like trek is hard. You have to be extremely careful, and balance story telling with staying inside the broader universe.

        This isn’t to say there can never be changes- and we’ve seen changes as out-of-universe technology and budget changes (tos Klingons tmp Klingons…. They’re constantly getting new looks.) but they have a fairly consistent culture that got more fleshed out in TNG (also destruction of praxis did have some effect, leading to ruling houses being more prominent.)

        The Disco Klingons? Are nothing like Klingons. They may as well have been an entirely different species. The writers didn’t care until fan backlash, and even then we mostly got bullshit excuses.

        (Though Abram’s needed to lay off the lenses flares. Just saying.)

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            Was it a good game, though?

            I hadn’t heard that before.

            DS9 season one may have been inspired by an early show bible for Bab5, though. JMS might have left said bible with the producers when trying to get funding.

            You’ll also note the rough first season for DS9, and that they didn’t really screw with things too much. After they got off that and went their own way, it got much better. Dark, sure. But better.

            It might be nice to have a live action, but lower decks style, station-based show on the edge of some frontier, ships coming in to turn in maps and stuff.

            “Cardassians visited today, they’re assholes.”

            “Why is every new species a different flavor of asshole? Can’t we, like, meet some avian space hippies or something interesting?”

            “You mean the Arrakoa? Yeah. They’re assholes too.”