Thanks I’m cured! All my anxieties and masking and difficulties socializing from overstimulation have gone away because of your uninformed happy thoughts. Why didn’t I try that before?!
You’re insisting that the frameworks some people use to understand the world are all made up (to be fair you aren’t entirely wrong). But the power of positive thinking bullshit is peddled by every grifter and their mother and is often the stick used by people who aren’t willing to acknowledge that depression isn’t all in your head.
It’s akin to saying, just go for a run and you’ll feel better. You may be right, but you are completely neglecting that medication is also useful possibly above and beyond a nice jog.
People can better themselves, but this particular category of argument ignores a lot of realities for people that need more than a pep talk.
Also, introvert and extravert are nice short hand terms for “probabilistically, I gain or lose energy from the average social outing”.
Some people view a label as an ending. They put people into the box. Think no further, end of story. AKA “stereotype”. How you treat the person you just labeled with implicit bias forces them into that box because of your expectations and biases, conscious or otherwise.
Other people, who might pause for a second when they hear a label, will mentally decompress the label with tools like nuance and understand that the label isn’t monolithic. It’s a starting point. Not a stopping point. People are a spectrum. So if someone says they’re an introvert, we know they probably aren’t into crowded bars or large social situations. But you don’t get to tell them “If you don’t use the label you will change.”
It’s how you use the label when you interact with them, not how they use the label for themselves.
Why would I wanna change? I’m happy as an introvert, know that I have a limited energy in social settings and there is nothing wrong with that or need change. What are you on about?
This may seem shocking to you, but some of us are okay being introverts, you know? It’s not something negative. Society values other types of personality more, that’s a fact, but I’m fine the way I am.
What you actually mean when you say ‘I assume people are smart enough’ is ‘I expect people to make the same assumptions as me’. People come from very different contexts. You can either drop that wall of qualifiers and be understood by most, or skip it and only have a few get your point. It sounds like you know why you’re being misinterpreted and, for whatever reason, want to keep it that way.
I’m glad you worked and improved yourself, but quit trying to “fix” other people. I’m not even mad as you assume. But it baffles me that you don’t understad that not everyone that labels themselves as one thing you don’t agree on is “fucked up”.
And what about people who feel exhausted by every type of social interaction? Because that’s my experience. I’m not saying it cannot change over time, but labels can still be useful. When someone describes themselves as an introvert, nobody assumes they are drained by every single interaction. People generally understand it as a way of describing how someone responds to strangers or groups, rather than how they respond to all interaction.
There is nothing wrong with that. A label can help someone express a pattern they recognise in themselves without believing they are trapped by it. It is simply a way of communicating how they tend to feel in certain situations. Many people adopt mindsets that feel natural or comfortable without assuming those mindsets define them forever.
Actually introversion/extroversion is the only personality trait for which we have hard, physiological evidence. Introverts and extroverts use different chemical pathways in the brain.
Introverts have longer dopamine pathways and high cortical arousal, lending to getting too stimulated.
Even the way blood flows in the brain during tasks is different. In introverts, it tends more toward the frontal cortex while in extroverts it flows more toward sensory pathways (sight, sound, touch).
I get a lot of heat for this, but I like to remind people that there isn’t really “such thing” as an “introvert.”
You should get heat for that. It’s not merely factually incorrect, it’s dangerous, harmful misinformation. Neurodiversity exists. Learn to live with others who don’t think, feel, or function the way you do.
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Yes. And we call that kind of person an “introvert”.
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Thanks I’m cured! All my anxieties and masking and difficulties socializing from overstimulation have gone away because of your uninformed happy thoughts. Why didn’t I try that before?!
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You’re insisting that the frameworks some people use to understand the world are all made up (to be fair you aren’t entirely wrong). But the power of positive thinking bullshit is peddled by every grifter and their mother and is often the stick used by people who aren’t willing to acknowledge that depression isn’t all in your head.
It’s akin to saying, just go for a run and you’ll feel better. You may be right, but you are completely neglecting that medication is also useful possibly above and beyond a nice jog.
People can better themselves, but this particular category of argument ignores a lot of realities for people that need more than a pep talk.
Also, introvert and extravert are nice short hand terms for “probabilistically, I gain or lose energy from the average social outing”.
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When there’s a label for everything, people tend to fit themselves to the label.
Some people view a label as an ending. They put people into the box. Think no further, end of story. AKA “stereotype”. How you treat the person you just labeled with implicit bias forces them into that box because of your expectations and biases, conscious or otherwise.
Other people, who might pause for a second when they hear a label, will mentally decompress the label with tools like nuance and understand that the label isn’t monolithic. It’s a starting point. Not a stopping point. People are a spectrum. So if someone says they’re an introvert, we know they probably aren’t into crowded bars or large social situations. But you don’t get to tell them “If you don’t use the label you will change.”
It’s how you use the label when you interact with them, not how they use the label for themselves.
Why would I wanna change? I’m happy as an introvert, know that I have a limited energy in social settings and there is nothing wrong with that or need change. What are you on about?
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This may seem shocking to you, but some of us are okay being introverts, you know? It’s not something negative. Society values other types of personality more, that’s a fact, but I’m fine the way I am.
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What you actually mean when you say ‘I assume people are smart enough’ is ‘I expect people to make the same assumptions as me’. People come from very different contexts. You can either drop that wall of qualifiers and be understood by most, or skip it and only have a few get your point. It sounds like you know why you’re being misinterpreted and, for whatever reason, want to keep it that way.
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I’m glad you worked and improved yourself, but quit trying to “fix” other people. I’m not even mad as you assume. But it baffles me that you don’t understad that not everyone that labels themselves as one thing you don’t agree on is “fucked up”.
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And what about people who feel exhausted by every type of social interaction? Because that’s my experience. I’m not saying it cannot change over time, but labels can still be useful. When someone describes themselves as an introvert, nobody assumes they are drained by every single interaction. People generally understand it as a way of describing how someone responds to strangers or groups, rather than how they respond to all interaction.
There is nothing wrong with that. A label can help someone express a pattern they recognise in themselves without believing they are trapped by it. It is simply a way of communicating how they tend to feel in certain situations. Many people adopt mindsets that feel natural or comfortable without assuming those mindsets define them forever.
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Actually introversion/extroversion is the only personality trait for which we have hard, physiological evidence. Introverts and extroverts use different chemical pathways in the brain.
Introverts have longer dopamine pathways and high cortical arousal, lending to getting too stimulated.
Even the way blood flows in the brain during tasks is different. In introverts, it tends more toward the frontal cortex while in extroverts it flows more toward sensory pathways (sight, sound, touch).
You should get heat for that. It’s not merely factually incorrect, it’s dangerous, harmful misinformation. Neurodiversity exists. Learn to live with others who don’t think, feel, or function the way you do.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33548763/
https://psyforu.com/the-science-of-introversion-how-brain-chemistry-shapes-our-social-preferences/?amp=1
ELI5
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-science-of-introverts-vs-extroverts
Are you claiming that our brains won’t adapt or change over time? How about from situation to situation? Day to day?
This is something non-introverts say. I promise if you fit the label you’d understand its usefulness.
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You weren’t an introvert then, you had social anxiety. Stop applying your experience to my life.
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You’re the one saying that I don’t exist.
Is it possible the heat is from being wrong?
Being an introvert is part of some people’s identity, like me, so…
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Kind of. I can behave like I’m not, if I need to.
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