• Foni@lemmy.zip
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    16 hours ago

    The United States needs a completely new constitutional process, to stop idolizing as political gurus people who lived 300 years ago and did a great job for their time, but that’s over. In Europe, some countries, during that same period, had dozens of constitutions and nothing bad happened about it.

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      15 hours ago

      Oh no, our Conservatives have been prepping for a new Constitutional Convention, and already have a playbook planned to ratfuck that.

      The process for that is that 2/3 of states need to call for a constitutional convention to start it. When in session, everything is fair game to be amended. The rules for that are not codified in advance and created by the members themselves. And whatever comes out of that must be approved by 3/4 of the states (currently 38) in order to be binding on everyone.

      But , by my calculations, 182 million people live in the 12 most populous states. Since the US population in all states is 339 million, that means that a new constitution can be ratified by states with only 43% of the population, then bind everyone to it.

      There is no doubt in my mind that this will result in those states who did not vote for the new constitution seceding.

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        10 hours ago

        Either I haven’t explained myself well, or you haven’t understood me. I’m not talking about following any set path; I’m talking about throwing everything out the window and starting from scratch.

        It is clear that establishing rules that apply in California and Texas requires consensus and compromise, but even federalism needs to be rethought, if you start from where you are today, you’ll never get very far.

        At the first continental congress, or whatever it was called, there were no rules to go on. You’d have to go back there.

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          14 hours ago

          https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html

          But it’s so small I can quote it here

          The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

          While this seems to be written as only being for amendments, there is nothing keeping them from saying “we’re starting over from scratch” as an amendment. Literally the only thing they put off limits in this process is the composition of the Senate.