Supporting the current regimes in Russia and China comes across as decidedly anti Russia and China. There is nothing socialist about modern day Russia but .ml still lick their boot.
A lot of us are pro China and Russia. Not all of us, some of us aren’t tripping balls. I’m just kinda here, and didn’t realize I was defederated with some other instances…
Probably gonna make a new account in that case, if I ever remember to actually do so
That’s what I’m not a fan of. It feels softer than it is, the information bubble. The ml admins are too good at removing dissent and it translates to users unaware of the situation. Were there informed consent, I’d feel less aggrieved.
The fact they don’t list dissent or criticism of China/Russia as being bannable in the rules is one of the bigger problems. They will just ban you for Rule 1 or 2, neither of which have anything to do with that and leaving banned users scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Meanwhile to the other .mls, it just looks like the devs banned someone for a “legitimate” reason because the devs will leave a comment painting the banned user’s comment in that light.
Example: User “BillyBobJones” expresses a dislike of China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Dessalines or Davel will quickly ban BillyBobJones under Rule 1 or 2 for, say, “racism”. Then they will leave a comment under the deleted comment accusing BillyBob of saying something racist and saying that’s why BillyBob was banned. Unless an .ml user bothers to check the modlogs, they won’t know what BillyBob actually said and will praise Dessalines/Davel for removing a racist. Dissenter removed, echo chamber reinforced.
The people, both uhigur and han, are warm and friendly towards foreigners. You’ll run into a range of experiences and opinions. Some being more willing to discuss them 1on1 after a bottle of baijiu. Xinjiang has excellent wines and distilled liquors that pair well with the heavy, spicy food.
The coffee tends to be kinda bad.
You’ll hear mandarin, uhigur, and what I thought was Russian. Some of the older uhigurs can’t read chinese characters.
The food is excellent, they use a lot more mutton, then beef, pork is least common, but sometimes you see it.
It gets quite a bit of snow.
There’s more cops and old folk hired as security(i forget the word for them) than elsewhere in China.
Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.
Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren’t for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.
I can argue with you in at all because you’re alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it’s not a good argument either. “Nazis wouldn’t have exterminated me!”
I’m a Spaniard myself, if you ask some of my ancestors, “con Franco se vivía mejor”. You know, under a fascist dictatorship. So no, the “argument from authority by old people” isn’t convincing to me.
I wish the Soviets had liberated my country from fascism too, unfortunately my country is on the other side of the continent and the Soviet aid during the Spanish Civil War was insufficient (likely due to being the only country to sell weapons to the antifascists while Nazi Germany bombed them and the rest of the world looked the other way).
The original term “tankie” refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.
China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of “tank man” is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.
nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.
Whataboutism
Says the person who
literally responded with “WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???” on my first comment 😅
asks “WHAT ABOUT Europe???” 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅
I’m sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like “But your state bad because XY”, followed by “But your state worse because of YZ”, but I don’t have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else…
Huh. I’m trying to understand what you mean. Your interpretation is that .ml is pro-China and pro-Russia. And, as you can see, my account is .ml. I’m not sure I would identify as pro-China or pro-Russia. What does it mean to you to be pro-China and pro-Russia?
They’re pro China and Russia
Supporting the current regimes in Russia and China comes across as decidedly anti Russia and China. There is nothing socialist about modern day Russia but .ml still lick their boot.
Don’t forget North Korea
A lot of us are pro China and Russia. Not all of us, some of us aren’t tripping balls. I’m just kinda here, and didn’t realize I was defederated with some other instances…
Probably gonna make a new account in that case, if I ever remember to actually do so
That’s what I’m not a fan of. It feels softer than it is, the information bubble. The ml admins are too good at removing dissent and it translates to users unaware of the situation. Were there informed consent, I’d feel less aggrieved.
The fact they don’t list dissent or criticism of China/Russia as being bannable in the rules is one of the bigger problems. They will just ban you for Rule 1 or 2, neither of which have anything to do with that and leaving banned users scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Meanwhile to the other .mls, it just looks like the devs banned someone for a “legitimate” reason because the devs will leave a comment painting the banned user’s comment in that light.
Example: User “BillyBobJones” expresses a dislike of China’s genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Dessalines or Davel will quickly ban BillyBobJones under Rule 1 or 2 for, say, “racism”. Then they will leave a comment under the deleted comment accusing BillyBob of saying something racist and saying that’s why BillyBob was banned. Unless an .ml user bothers to check the modlogs, they won’t know what BillyBob actually said and will praise Dessalines/Davel for removing a racist. Dissenter removed, echo chamber reinforced.
I literally just left Xinjiang again, currently in Kazakhstan.
If you want to criticize China, talk about existing policy, not silly shit the west made up.
Maybe even come over and make some friends and ask them about their experiences.
Also p sure its lemmy.ml policy to include the post you were banned for, unlike .world who will straight up lie.
ML mods have been caught ignoring their own policy and do straight up lie as well. Both of the teams are kinda crappy.
It wouldn’t surprise me. Imo its a flaw that lemmy doesn’t require mods sign their actions.
@Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
Как оно в Синцзяне? Читал только на Медузе о нём, и там, конечно, описывается настоящий концлагерь.
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca
I can’t read or speak russian.
The people, both uhigur and han, are warm and friendly towards foreigners. You’ll run into a range of experiences and opinions. Some being more willing to discuss them 1on1 after a bottle of baijiu. Xinjiang has excellent wines and distilled liquors that pair well with the heavy, spicy food.
The coffee tends to be kinda bad.
You’ll hear mandarin, uhigur, and what I thought was Russian. Some of the older uhigurs can’t read chinese characters.
The food is excellent, they use a lot more mutton, then beef, pork is least common, but sometimes you see it.
It gets quite a bit of snow.
There’s more cops and old folk hired as security(i forget the word for them) than elsewhere in China.
spoiler
@Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
Are you kazakh?
Oh, I just saw you live in Kazakhstan, I’m in Almaty rn.
American.
Yeah. Abandon ship asap. That shithole is not something you’d want to be associated with unless you love sucking authoritarian boot-shaped cock.
faux far left.
You’re only considering the x axis. They are far left and fascist. You can be far left and liberal.
No you can’t
Isn’t that lemmygrad.ml, not lemmy.ml?
It’s unfortunately both from some of their most prominent users.
The ones I talked to were more like fans of the Sowjet union.
Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.
As someone who grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, reading your characterization of the USSR is hilarious to me.
Imagine a Native American reading comments that are praising the US for how well they’ve done by them by giving them casinos.
Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren’t for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.
Make assumptions about me and my ancestry at our first interaction, I’m sure you will eventually convince someone you’re arguing in good faith.
I can argue with you in at all because you’re alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it’s not a good argument either. “Nazis wouldn’t have exterminated me!”
Well I hate to disappoint you, but for me the weight of your narrative pales in comparison to the first hand accounts of my actual ancestors.
Again: you have ancestors because of the Soviets.
I’m a Spaniard myself, if you ask some of my ancestors, “con Franco se vivía mejor”. You know, under a fascist dictatorship. So no, the “argument from authority by old people” isn’t convincing to me.
I wish the Soviets had liberated my country from fascism too, unfortunately my country is on the other side of the continent and the Soviet aid during the Spanish Civil War was insufficient (likely due to being the only country to sell weapons to the antifascists while Nazi Germany bombed them and the rest of the world looked the other way).
Isn’t tankie describing when China used tanks against their own people? I thought it referenced Tiananmen Square.
The original term “tankie” refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.
China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of “tank man” is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.
So why is June 4th banned and you can’t talk about Tiananmen Square in China then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DbijSAH1-Q
Can you show me the particular moment in the 2h long video in which the tanks are firing on / rolling over protestors?
It’s towards the end.
Can you give me a timestamp?
Is this a chatgpt response for “List lots of advantages of positive things about the sowjet union and ignore the negative stuff”?
It was so successful that 4 districts of it decided to leave it in 1990 and 11 more in 1991.
Whataboutism and accusing me of being a chatbot, thats a 2 for 1!
If Euroep is so good, why did the entirety of Africa, Asia and Latin America have literal independence wars to leave it?
nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.
Says the person who
literally responded with “WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???” on my first comment 😅
asks “WHAT ABOUT Europe???” 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅
I’m sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like “But your state bad because XY”, followed by “But your state worse because of YZ”, but I don’t have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else…
Huh. I’m trying to understand what you mean. Your interpretation is that .ml is pro-China and pro-Russia. And, as you can see, my account is .ml. I’m not sure I would identify as pro-China or pro-Russia. What does it mean to you to be pro-China and pro-Russia?
I think most people agree with OP that it’s not a 100% thing. Some people just signed up long ago, or picked a big instance.
I would assume they’re speaking literally.
.ml admins are pro russia and china. Are you an Admin controlling the flow of content