Nobody wants abortions for no good reason. The key is that it’s a decision that should be left to the doctor and the patient. Every person has their own threshold for what constitutes a “good” reason, and my beliefs on the matter aren’t more valid than anyone else’s. Why should I make medical decisions for any person? Why would anyone expect personal morals to be the standard by which everyone must live?
At 8 months you have all your baby stuff and a name picked out. If a tiny fraction of a percent of abortions are “for fun” at 8 months it is not a reason to prevent abortions for all
It really baffles me that people actually think abortions are happening at 8 or 9 months pregnant without a medical reason. If a woman wants an abortion, she’s going to get it as early as possible. Nobody is carrying a baby for that long and suddenly changing their minds.
This is the shit I keep trying to tell people. i have a whole huge story about my family’s experience with needing abortion. There’s literally no real live anti-abortion human I have ever talked to that has heard our story and said “Yeah, you still shouldn’t have been able to do it. If your twins died because you couldn’t abort that triplet that had basically no brain left from a massive stroke you only discovered at 20 weeks then that was God’s Will.” Every single one of them thinks that our situation was one of the “permissible” ones, but that there’s still this massive problem of floozies using it as birth control and people aborting 8 month fetuses that needs to be controlled.
I keep having to tell them that A) nobody gets 8 months into a pregnancy and just flippantly decides they don’t want it anymore, something catastrophic has happened, and B) there’s no way you can ban it for those so-called “irresponsible women” without also de facto banning it for people like us. Because that hypothetical party girl you’re imagining getting her 10th abortion this year? Waiting a week for the Morality Panel to check if she eligible is a minor inconvenience, but it would have killed my twins.
My grandmother is against abortion. But when I told her a friend of my sister was having one because the baby had a rare condition where they weren’t going to live anyway, she seemed fine with it in that situation
Yeah, they’re never actually against abortion. Most of them are usually totally okay with it in situations like where the baby is going to suffer needlessly and die at most a couple hours after being born, or the Mom will literally die carrying this baby to term, or any number of the times abortion is not just an option, but the best course of treatment to save a life.
They’ve just got it in their heads that 99% of them are “loose” women who “can’t keep their legs closed” and are using abortion to “avoid the consequences of their actions” and don’t understand that there’s literally no way to ban it for them, without also creating a de facto ban for time sensitive medical situations like my wife’s or that friend of your sister.
How fucked are people in the head that caring for a child for the rest of you life is an acceptable “consequence”. If you don’t want to be a parent you shouldn’t have to be. Full stop.
It literally only makes sense under the very specific “religious” framework they’ve built around it. The idea that life begins at conception, and that the only acceptable reason to be having sex in the first place is because you are actively trying to create a child with the person that you are having sex with. So to them the solution to “Not wanting to be a Parent” is simple: Just never have sex 4head.
Also, there are literally birth control pills that are common and ubiquitous. There are IUDs. If they really want a medical procedure, you can have your tubes tied.
There is a pill you can take the day after.
Even if it is a “floozy”, what the fuck makes you think abortion is the birth control of choice? Who do they think is out there wanting to have as many abortions as possible?
Some Christians are against birth control too. They think sex should solely be for procreation, which is also one of their arguments against homosexuality
There’s a propaganda film where a woman at an abortion clinic meets God and he talks her out of it. There is a background character in the film who is implied to be a regular at the abortion clinic and treats abortion like something she just does every month like getting a haircut. Conservatives think there are really a lot of people like that
I think I remember hearing about that one, yeah. It’s utterly deranged the lengths they’ve gotta go to in order to demonize this.
I truly can’t believe how many I’ve made balk at their stance by saying something to the effect of “Yeah I feel you, I don’t really like it getting used as emergency birth control either. But there’s no way to stop that from happening at a legislative level without also making it a de facto ban for situations like the one my wife was in,” and walking them through what hospitals would do, or have done in the case of those women in Texas was it that were dying of sepsis after their ban went into effect even though it supposedly had exceptions for “saving the life of the mother” in there? I might be thinking of a different state.
There’s a reasonable societal conversation to be had around severity of fetal defects and very young pregnant people. I think most people would not want a late-term fetus with something like cleft palate or club foot to be aborted for only that reason. A twelve year old who doesn’t realize she’s pregnant until eight months - should abortion be available in that case even if she and fetus are healthy?
But the conservative denial of edge cases existing is so deep it’s mind boggling. When the pregnant ten year old case was made public, the conservative reaction was to deny it happened, and then prosecute the doctor for publicizing. Someone testifying to Congress stated straight faced that a ten year old getting a pregnancy termination wasn’t an abortion. I don’t know how to get out of the fantasy land that is literally killing women today.
The ProPublica series on women with wanted pregnancies who were denied care and died was hard to read. The one that got me the most was where multiple doctors shown the medical files said that if the woman had gotten care the first time she went to the emergency room, probably both the woman and her fetus would have been saved. Doctors in states where abortion is punishable by jail time make the calculation they can save more people out of jail, and refusing care to pregnant women - knowing some of them will die - is the price they have to pay to stay out of jail.
Nobody wants abortions for no good reason. The key is that it’s a decision that should be left to the doctor and the patient. Every person has their own threshold for what constitutes a “good” reason, and my beliefs on the matter aren’t more valid than anyone else’s. Why should I make medical decisions for any person? Why would anyone expect personal morals to be the standard by which everyone must live?
If you want to have an abortion for fun at 6 weeks, have at it. If you want that at 8 months, you’re not going to find many people agreeing with you.
Republicans says that’s what Dems want. It’s not.
At 8 months you have all your baby stuff and a name picked out. If a tiny fraction of a percent of abortions are “for fun” at 8 months it is not a reason to prevent abortions for all
It really baffles me that people actually think abortions are happening at 8 or 9 months pregnant without a medical reason. If a woman wants an abortion, she’s going to get it as early as possible. Nobody is carrying a baby for that long and suddenly changing their minds.
It baffles me more that a non-zero number of them believe post-term abortion is a thing.
These are not smart people.
Apparently it is for Trump, so maybe it’s just a Republican thing and they’re projecting.
You mean, killing the new born by throwing it over the cliff, Sparta-style ?
Right into Lake Michigan
This is the shit I keep trying to tell people. i have a whole huge story about my family’s experience with needing abortion. There’s literally no real live anti-abortion human I have ever talked to that has heard our story and said “Yeah, you still shouldn’t have been able to do it. If your twins died because you couldn’t abort that triplet that had basically no brain left from a massive stroke you only discovered at 20 weeks then that was God’s Will.” Every single one of them thinks that our situation was one of the “permissible” ones, but that there’s still this massive problem of floozies using it as birth control and people aborting 8 month fetuses that needs to be controlled.
I keep having to tell them that A) nobody gets 8 months into a pregnancy and just flippantly decides they don’t want it anymore, something catastrophic has happened, and B) there’s no way you can ban it for those so-called “irresponsible women” without also de facto banning it for people like us. Because that hypothetical party girl you’re imagining getting her 10th abortion this year? Waiting a week for the Morality Panel to check if she eligible is a minor inconvenience, but it would have killed my twins.
My grandmother is against abortion. But when I told her a friend of my sister was having one because the baby had a rare condition where they weren’t going to live anyway, she seemed fine with it in that situation
Yeah, they’re never actually against abortion. Most of them are usually totally okay with it in situations like where the baby is going to suffer needlessly and die at most a couple hours after being born, or the Mom will literally die carrying this baby to term, or any number of the times abortion is not just an option, but the best course of treatment to save a life.
They’ve just got it in their heads that 99% of them are “loose” women who “can’t keep their legs closed” and are using abortion to “avoid the consequences of their actions” and don’t understand that there’s literally no way to ban it for them, without also creating a de facto ban for time sensitive medical situations like my wife’s or that friend of your sister.
How fucked are people in the head that caring for a child for the rest of you life is an acceptable “consequence”. If you don’t want to be a parent you shouldn’t have to be. Full stop.
It literally only makes sense under the very specific “religious” framework they’ve built around it. The idea that life begins at conception, and that the only acceptable reason to be having sex in the first place is because you are actively trying to create a child with the person that you are having sex with. So to them the solution to “Not wanting to be a Parent” is simple: Just never have sex 4head.
Also, there are literally birth control pills that are common and ubiquitous. There are IUDs. If they really want a medical procedure, you can have your tubes tied.
There is a pill you can take the day after.
Even if it is a “floozy”, what the fuck makes you think abortion is the birth control of choice? Who do they think is out there wanting to have as many abortions as possible?
It’s just so incredibly dumb.
Some Christians are against birth control too. They think sex should solely be for procreation, which is also one of their arguments against homosexuality
There’s a propaganda film where a woman at an abortion clinic meets God and he talks her out of it. There is a background character in the film who is implied to be a regular at the abortion clinic and treats abortion like something she just does every month like getting a haircut. Conservatives think there are really a lot of people like that
I think I remember hearing about that one, yeah. It’s utterly deranged the lengths they’ve gotta go to in order to demonize this.
I truly can’t believe how many I’ve made balk at their stance by saying something to the effect of “Yeah I feel you, I don’t really like it getting used as emergency birth control either. But there’s no way to stop that from happening at a legislative level without also making it a de facto ban for situations like the one my wife was in,” and walking them through what hospitals would do, or have done in the case of those women in Texas was it that were dying of sepsis after their ban went into effect even though it supposedly had exceptions for “saving the life of the mother” in there? I might be thinking of a different state.
But I think we’re all saying the same thing. Nobody wants abortions at 8 months for fun. They’re saying we actually want them to occur.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HvnqU-1uDUU
/s because the internet can’t handle satire
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There’s a reasonable societal conversation to be had around severity of fetal defects and very young pregnant people. I think most people would not want a late-term fetus with something like cleft palate or club foot to be aborted for only that reason. A twelve year old who doesn’t realize she’s pregnant until eight months - should abortion be available in that case even if she and fetus are healthy?
But the conservative denial of edge cases existing is so deep it’s mind boggling. When the pregnant ten year old case was made public, the conservative reaction was to deny it happened, and then prosecute the doctor for publicizing. Someone testifying to Congress stated straight faced that a ten year old getting a pregnancy termination wasn’t an abortion. I don’t know how to get out of the fantasy land that is literally killing women today.
The ProPublica series on women with wanted pregnancies who were denied care and died was hard to read. The one that got me the most was where multiple doctors shown the medical files said that if the woman had gotten care the first time she went to the emergency room, probably both the woman and her fetus would have been saved. Doctors in states where abortion is punishable by jail time make the calculation they can save more people out of jail, and refusing care to pregnant women - knowing some of them will die - is the price they have to pay to stay out of jail.
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