Wayland is the successor to the X server (X11, Xorg) to implement the graphics stack on Linux. The Wayland project was actually started in 2008, a year before I created the i3 tiling window manager for X11 in 2009 — but for the last 18 years (!), Wayland was never usable on my computers. I don’t want to be stuck on deprecated software, so I try to start using Wayland each year, and this articles outlines what keeps me from migrating to Wayland in 2026.
If your argument for Wayland is “stop using thousands of dollars in hardware to get it working”, then that’s not going to convince anyone. He doesn’t address that as a solution because that’s obviously a last resort.
No, it’s actually the opposite. He has an 8k monitor. Get rid of that, and then he has no blockers to using things the way he wants. Pretty simple solution.
If you buy hardware that is wildly incompatible with almost everything, then there’s your problem. You don’t buy things knowing it’s incompatible, and then wait for compatibility to come around whilst complaining about it UNLESS you intend to buy it to put some effort into making it work on your own.
That’s the entire point of this ecosystem and being able to upstream fixes.
It is not wildly incompatible with almost everything, it works perfectly fine his current X11 setup, and any system or setup that has the goal to replace X11 should at least should support all physical displays that X11 supports. And a modern replacement should have no issues with modern hardware.
Apparently you didn’t read his own referenced write-up on that: https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2017-12-11-dell-up3218k/
Exactly as I described.
Not sure what you mean but:
As he said, it worked in X11 but not in Wayland.
Then you didn’t read it. He linked it right at the top of the post.
Oh i read both articles and I still have no clue why it would invalidate my point. Please enlighten my stupid little mind with some proper context and not only a link to a long document.
Your comment to me is that he was NOT buying hardware incompatible with anything but Wayland, and you were responding to my point that he most definitely was…because we quite literally wrote about it himself in 2017 when he got said hardware.
Not sure where your entitled sarcasm comes from when you’re just not reading anything in the first place. His assertions, not even mine.
he got hardware that worked with the default setup for the majority of linux DEs at the time… he literally followed your suggestion and has been waiting for support for it in wayland for a decade.
this has to be the dumbest argument I’ve seen in a few months on here. you’re literally telling someone to sell their car because you want them to switch to a different kind of engine that currently isn’t compatible with their car, even though they haven’t wanted to switch to a new engine for a decade.
Well and his current articel from 8 years later says that it worked with X11 for years, so what? Maybe your arguments are a bit out of date? Information can be obsolete after nearly a decade.