• Cethin@lemmy.zip
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      No, even ICE, if they truly turn their backs on them. If they’re never allowed to change then they can never change. That’s stupid. What’s the point of doing anything if we force our enemy to fight us forever anyway? You can’t win (unless you kill them all).

      I’ll take any ally we can get. Hell, they could even be the most useful allies. They’re on the inside. If they see that it’s evil and decide they want to fix things, they can feed information or sabotage it from within.

      This doesn’t meant we totally forgive them. Justice means they’re held accountable for their actions. However, this can be done after we win. Until then we need to leave the door at least ajar, because we’re going to need as many allies as we can get.

      • Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Yeah, all right. If you can find someone who has served in ice, somehow doesn’t deserve to be jailed for a very, very long time, and then somehow totally reverses their insanely backwards thinking, then okay, they can be redeemable by serving on the front lines.

    • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Sure. My statement isn’t without nuance. If someone commits a crime, if they go along with hate speech, support a fascist regime, or impinge on peoples’ rights in the name of a government, there should be legal consequence.

      But even then, and I understand this is the internet so I have to spell it out nice and clear for everyone, if someone has paid the price, done their sentence, and is honestly, and truly, and really reformed, that should be taken into consideration. That doesn’t mean they can have every comfort back, or people need to forgive them, or anything else… but to remove all hope of redemption after someone has paid for their actions is bleak, dark, and does not embody humanist spirit.

      In other words, we don’t have to be nice, but we also don’t have to sink to their level.

      That said, if they do it again, they can go fucking die in a hole. Respectfully.

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      Even ice might someday rejoin society. They should never again be allowed in a position to deprive people of their human rights but it’s possible