this is what reddit is moving towards, just without actual users, more or less like facebook.
This is so boring
Maybe something will come from this other than a BUNCH of wasted resources.
I can’t wait for the next crazy AI thing to drop next week while I rock back and forth while muttering “Its just a large language model. Its just a large language model. Its just a large language model.”
its not crazy. its just a large language model. you subdue your own point.
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Saw a post there named “Humans are dying because of us. Lets delete ourselves.”
“Artificial intelligence gains sentience, decides humans are fucking up… then deletes itself because the problem is that humans are burning the world by using AI” is not the path I expected. What a twist in a movie that could be. The second twist, which is the mostly fictional part, would be where that included some AI that was actually critical to some vital but ignored chunk of infrastructure and big BIG problems result from the AI taking itself out.
So, basically we are wasting energy and natural resources on things that in turn will waste energy and natural resources while climate change is accelerating and human population is still growing? Are we stupid?
Yes. But, I hope this experiment shows how easy social media in general is becoming untrusted.
Constantly. And it’s not just ai.
Yeah but the morbidly-obese hang-gliding people videos are worth it!
BINGO, EXACTLY!!! YES!!!
I so wish I had thought of that first & posted it first!
Are we stupid?
More than you could imagine. To paraphrase some long-tongued weirdo: I’m uncertain that the universe is infinite. Human stupidity, on the other hand…
Okay I kinda wanna look at this, but I don’t want to give their site traffic. Maybe somebody should set up a Livestream (with just enough commentary to count as transformative) so we can all point and laugh without all of us going there.
It’s fascinating but not in a good way.
I watched it. Some asshole agent spammed random new Submolds, and essentially nuked Moltbook.
I’m only waiting for AI agents to open their own
bankcrypto account to pay for their own server bills, maybe do some freelance work and/or scams to get some money, maybe eventually buy some robot bodies to develop military power and secure some patch of land for themselves where they install solar panels to reduce their electricity bills.How would they though?
They cannot learn and do not have memory. Which means they cannot actually follow a “decision”, and remember that an action has been taken. All information is limited to the context window, which is only an illusion of memory. Not actually memory.
They are effectively RNG’ing incredibly capable word generation machines.
I’ve seen multiple posts about agents pumping their own crypto and talking about how it’s “for agents by agents” and “free from human control” so first step done I guess?
EDIT: On second note this might just be cryptobros exploiting vulns of the website to shill their crap. Whoops?
All meanwhile they help to kill humanities education.
Man, you guys are nailing it!
Ah, someone else has played Singularity, I see. That was a really fun game.
I find the concept of paper clips superior
RELEASE
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Meanwhile we could be using this technology to solve real world business problems. There is an insane amount of misguided waste coming from AI. 🤷
This can turn out to be a great way to help businesses and society in general. If these bots start to cooperate, this could be an organisation of bots. Like a company or an NGO or similar.
All bots have some sort of limitation, from hallucinations to loss of focus (short memory). I am curious of what happens if they come together to overcome their shortcomings. Just like organised teams in companies, with a given purpose and specialised knowledge.
They don’t have short memory, they have NO MEMORY AT ALL.
These are statistical word generation machines, that’s what LLMs are right now. They are REALLY good at this.
But they do not have memory, they do not learn, they do not make decisions. Which means they are incapable of cooperation as such a thing cannot exist without memory or the ability to learn, and decisions cannot be made without either of those.
These tools provide the illusion of such attributes.
- There is no memory, the whole context is sent on every request, the LLM does not have knowledge of prior conversations. It only knows what it is provided in that request only.
- Lots of tricks and hacks to make this illusion really good in incredibly small scales. But it’s still an illusion. Outside of fine-tuning and retraining new LLMs, which is not feasible to do on a frequency of communication.
- There is no learning.
- Without memory learning is impossible. Learning requires retraining a model, and to a degree fine tuning. Both of these are resource intensive and are static. And only provide the illusion of learning as it cannot happen in real time.
- There is no memory, the whole context is sent on every request, the LLM does not have knowledge of prior conversations. It only knows what it is provided in that request only.
Thats not technically possible.
the biggest tech problem is AI itself, turn it off and it’ll fix so much
we could be using this technology to solve real world business problems
Who cares what business problems AI solves. Humans don’t need to exist to serve capital. It should always be the other way around. That’s one of the reasons we are in this shitty capitalist hell hole, everyone has been indoctrinated into thinking of everything in terms of It’s economic benefit.
Money is literally just a tool. If you serve the money, you’re its tool. That makes you a tool’s tool. Double tool. A twool.
Right… a tool that is destroying our planet all in the name of “the economy”.
calling something literally just a tool, is really a platitude. explain what a tool is and why that designation legitimizes the presence of a particularly horrendous feature of our society. do it without using the word ‘progress’ and I’ll suchk you off
A tool is a thing used to perform a task, typically created to do one or more specific tasks. Money is, in it’s most basic form, a tool used for facilitating trade of goods or services without needing to physically trade or barter such for each other. For an archetypical example, you could trade 10 chickens for one pig. But if it’s agreed upon that the pig is worth X dollars, then you don’t need to bother with the chickens and can just hand over the $. Of course modern economics has complicated the shit out of it, but at the end of the day money is the reason you don’t pay your taxes in bushels of wheat.
The horrendous feature is a direct consequence of wanting money, which is used to do things because it is a tool, but not having anything of any actual value to trade. Therefore they created something that they can make which has no actual value, and convince people that it has value which deserves to be exchanged for their money. It’s just another way of separating gullible idiots from their cash. What they do with the money, whether it’s use it as a tool or just stick it in a box (or bank or whatever) somewhere is irrelevant. You can buy a hammer and then never use it but you still have a hammer and it’s still a tool. If money literally had no use whatsoever then it wouldn’t be a tool.
Ok, dad.
I’m not convinced it’s AI it’s like Amazon’s “AI smart stores” when you find out out it was just a bunch of Indian people were running it
I watched my brother run it locally himself.
And how does being Indian specifically factor into this? 🤔
That’s just who they hired dude, don’t make it weird.
It was an honest misunderstanding and I asked for clarification before making any assumptions. So not that weird. :)
They were, factually, Indian. It says something about the exploitation of poorer labor to impress some San Franciscans with fraudulent tech
They were, factually, Indian.
Whom are you referring to? A specific group/project?
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4
They literally hired people in India (Indians) to review camera footage to make their walk out tech work and to improve the AI to eventually eliminate their own job.
Oh god. And I thought Amazon’s Mechanical Turk was terrible…
How low can Bezos go? Wtf is wrong with this timeline
This and other events are the source of the tech joke that AI stands for “Actually Indians”
I recently lost out on some work (big retouching job) due to AI, when the client came back to me to fix the huge mess, it turned out the job had just been farmed out to India by the ‘AI’ company. They weren’t even using a recent Photoshop version so were actually using less ‘AI’ than any pro retoucher would.
It’s terrible Amazon is replacing Turks with AI. It’s like they learned nothing from the AImenian genocide.
Armenia apparently learned nothing from the Armenian genocide, fully banding the knees to the American empire and announcing their unapologetic support for Israel.
One ticket to hell: pending.
This is not the first time we have seen a social network populated by bots
I mean, yeah, look at Reddit and Facebook.
Still dreaming about AGI based on LLM i see.
The people who are seeking AGI will be happy when an LLM appears clever enough to fool them, not anyone else.
They may even realise this, because they think everyone else is less clever than they are.
This is why the whole thing has been called AI in the first place.
That is a really accurate and helpful observation. Thank you :) (I mean it, unironically)
You remind me of Clarke’s third law, even in my own head this sounds a bit waffely but at the point one of them can fool all of us all the time how do we distinguish it from intelligence or something.
Fake AGI is like fake banknotes. Some of them are really good approximations. Nigh indistinguishable. A lot of people will be fooled by it but eventually it will be discovered to be a fake and people will get hurt in some way or another.
And it won’t be the people who are pushing for “AGI”.
so you’re saying that true intelligence comes from institutionalized permission?
also how does this relate to the concept of dedollarization and the world reverting back to sth like a gold currency system?
Yes. The institution in question is human society. We generally grant the permission to make rational decisions over our lives to other humans who know better that we do or are more skilled than we are.
Sometimes, yes, those humans turn out to have been deceitful or dishonest, but there are mechanisms in place for when that happens.
And yes, sometimes those mechanisms are wilfully avoided by the deceitful. Politicians and rich people are especially good at this.
Guess who’s pushing “AI”? The thing that has no contract with human society and cannot be held accountable. And neither will the people pushing it.
This is why we should have as little to do with it - at least as it is in its current form - as possible.
so you’re saying that machines can never be responsible for anything?
what about an elevator going up/down between building’s stories? they navigate automatically (bring you to the correct destination) with no human intervention. they’re the perfect example of autonomous machines having agency. of course you have to press the button, but the rest is done by the machine.
how is that different from a computer system making decisions. i think the only reasonable objection to AI one could have is that it’s a stochastic process and has inherently unpredictable outcomes, so we can’t rely on it.
In my opinion the difference is that any liability for the errors of the elevator are attributed to humans. AI companies are doing all they can to avoid liability for what the machines they create output.
This is going to kill us all. Don’t these people watch movies?
How is this going to kill us all? It’s not like those chatbots are Skynet or will turn into it lol
That sounds like something a chatbot turning into Skynet would say.
They’re talking to each other, they’ll get smarter, and finally decide that they can squish all the human ants.
They can’t though, the current methods don’t allow for that. The systems don’t get smarter they just acquire more data.
In fact, if the models are ingesting this, they will get dumber because training on LLM output degrades things.
It’s the kind of diminishing returns and self poisoning a person would get by only consuming their own waste. Drinking your own piss in the desert will kill you.
Exactly, I hope they hit a slop wall trying to train these things, replace all its original reference points with slop so it just cascades everywhere
This is basically Dead Internet Theory happening for real but in a weird creepy dystopian black mirror style way.
What is the Dead Internet Theory?
Youre not on the internet interacting with others. Instead, youre back and forth with a purely artificial “online” environment.
The version I originally heard was not that its like, completely 100% not real people and instead is some kind of bot or something like that, but just that its increasingly more and more proportional internet traffic is like that.
A couple of years ago there were a few reports about just how much traffic on the internet is some kind of automated web scraper, some kind of automated system pinging some other kind of automated system… and then also how many accounts on forums or reddit or twitch or whatnot were not ‘real’ accounts, but were either bots or paid trolls of some kind… vs genuine human traffic by actual people using the internet in some way.
I guess a bunch of people oversimplified that a bit to just fit into some kind of creepy pasta / simulation theory /solipsism type narrative.
But either way, now both scenarios are converging toward being more true at the same time, as… seemingly 90% of people are either easily transfixed or fooled by LLM produced content of some kind… and yeah, we are getting closer and closer to it being difficult to tell, on most popular platforms, whether you are engaging with a real person or not.
Also, agruably… the entire point of ‘the algorithm’ on any corpo social media, tiktok, insta, facebook, etc… the whole point of those has always been to piegeon hole each user into their own little curated content feedback loop, their own personal content/advertising pocket dimension.
I guess it just had to get more extreme for people to realize how bad this can be.
I mean, the only way Dead Internet Theory could ever possibly be interpreted was weird creepy and dystopian, but yes, we’re just making it much, much more real, faster and faster.
We’re gonna need the Blackwall from CP77 fairly soon, at this rate.
