• wheezy@lemmy.ml
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    18 hours ago

    You are falling for political talking points by weak politicians that do not want to stand up for the people they represent that are being killed and kidnapped. I need you to understand something important. Fascist DO NOT need an EXCUSE to escalate. How do you think we got to SS troops going door to door asking for papers? Was it because of all the escalating excuses we gave them?

    Please, we need people like you to not fall for Democrat politicians that are just trying to save themselves.

    You also offered no alternative. Your advice to be “careful” is not advice. If you actually had a proposal I’d be interested in discussing that. But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing as the fascist continue to escalate in the face of nothing being done.

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      18 hours ago

      But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing

      No, that’s not true. I am arguing that we must be smart about what we do. Nonviolence is not the same as doing nothing.

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        9 hours ago

        Do you have a line? Like, how many people need to be executed by the feds? Is violence never justified in response to federal violence? Or do you have a line?

        How many? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you suggest fighting back? And I am not even advocating for a vigilante violence. I’m literally talking about preparing an organized defense that is armed.

        You can’t wait until your chosen number of dead is reached. By then it’s too late.

        How is what I discussed not being “smart” about what we do? It’s literally about preparing an organized state defense to the fascist literally executing and kidnapping people RIGHT NOW.

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          9 hours ago

          Do you have a line?

          What’s yours? If your line has been crossed, you go do something about it. Go ahead. I’m rooting for you.

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            8 hours ago

            Good job avoiding the question. My line was crossed already. I am. I’m the person out there with the sign today (something I doubt you are even doing, but literally just telling us to keep doing that, to keep getting tear gassed, keep getting shot with pepper bombs).

            If you were even doing the thing you were advocating for. That is. “protesting peacefully” you wouldn’t have the ignorant perspective you have. Stop advocating for something you clearly aren’t even doing.

            By the time your line gets crossed you’ll be too scared to even go hold a sign.

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              8 hours ago

              You’re right, I’m too scared. I’m clearly not cut out for this resistance stuff. But I’m sure you’ve got what it takes, so I’m pulling for you. Go get those fascists!

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                3 hours ago

                I guess you’re just using sarcasm to deal with denial of what is happening.

                I get it. The things I’m talking about needing to be done are likely not going to happen. I would say we are both coping with the reality in different ways.

                I don’t want to be upset with you for dealing with it another way. I guess I just think you’re holding onto the idea of a world (or the USA) that no longer exists.

                I think there is no way to a better future that isn’t fought for against the current systems that exist. You, I am assuming, are trying to restore something (and if I’m being critical that “something” is a delusion of the past). It’s why it’s so difficult for you to state any concrete plan as I have. Your advice was “be careful” and then fell back on just belittling any talk of organized resistance as some form of adventurism.

                It’s why you have to pretend I’m talking about something I’m not talking about. You act like I’m talking about some vigilante form of resistance. And I never have been.

                I wish you’d try to continue the conversation instead of just falling back on sarcastic responses that criticize a position I don’t hold.