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    This brings me back to a point I keep on making; I really do not care if the vast majority of people vote selfishly. In fact, I want you to vote selfishly.

    Just for the love of God be smart about it.

    You’re hurting? You’re feeling economic pain? Absolutely take those feelings into the ballot box with you.

    But why in the absolute fuck would you vote for the guy who has promised to make everything more expensive?

    The problem is not that people are selfish. Selfish is fine, selfish is good. We can work with selfish. But what we need, desperately, is to teach people how to act effectively in their own self interest, instead of being lead around by the nose by billionaires.

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    I don’t wanna hear another damn word out of young, American leftists. They moralized, demanded, complained, and stayed home. Now shut the fuck up and enjoy the destruction of Gaza. Morons

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      Now do latinos and suburban women.

      Singling out a single demographic for the target of your ire isn’t helpful.

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        Fuck every single Latino who voted Trump. And fuck every woman who voted for a rapist. There are you happy? Oh I missed one, fuck YOU for helping him win. Neutrality helps only the oppressed, and helps the oppressor. By not voting at all you stood off to the side and let Trump in

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      Ironically if she’d chosen Shapiro as a running mate then she’d have had a better chance of holding PA. However reports at the time suggested she didn’t want to risk upsetting the left by choosing a Jewish running mate.

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      Leftists wouldn’t have voted for a capitalist regardless. She never had our vote to count. SHE opted to embrace war criminal Republicans, she opted to have a black man scold black men, she chose to have Clinton tell Muslim voters to suck it up and ignore that their family and friends were murdered while she helped steer the ship, she threw trans people under the bus.

      Her loss is 100% hers to own. And because of her hubris trump won and got the popular vote.

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        It’s not HER loss it’s yours, idiots. You gave it all up to spite Democrats. Enjoy what you’re about to be fed. Say goodbye to Gaza Ukraine, NATO,lgbt protections etc. blame Democrats all you want, you’re gonna be the one feeling it and you have only your lack of civic duty to blame

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        Leftist with brains did vote for her, because the recognized that the only other option was worse. Now we get worse because hardliners are too stupid to cope with the lesser evil. Morons.

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    Trump got 2 million less votes than he did in 2020. I think this is more of a case where left-leaning people failed to show up in numbers that led for Biden’s win in 2020.

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      Didn’t Democrats raise a record amount of money this election cycle? And they were supposed to use it to get out the vote?

      There is money pouring into these campaigns, and it doesn’t make any difference at all. It’s all just a corporate welfare project for local TV media in swing states.

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        Money only gets you so far. The unfortunate truth is Harris didn’t run a campaign that incentivized people to vote. “Better than Trump” doesn’t bring people to polls.

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          I’m so sick of this; that wasn’t her platform. People constantly saying that was her platform stopped people from actually looking at her platform. I’m so sick of Dems that think they can just not vote because they don’t fall in love with their candidate. Politics is practical and the USA just shit the bed and it will have a real impact on the world. All of the Dems or left leaning people who didn’t vote are complicit.

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            If the DNC wanted immigrants to vote for Harris, they should not have messaged that they will build the wall and prosecute immigrants. Instead, they courted racists who obviously decided to vote for Trump promising Hitler style mass deportations.

            If the DNC wanted the peace lovers to vote for Harris, they should not have advertised accepting the Cheneys. Instead, they welcomed the architect of the War on Terror with open arms while Trump lied about being a peaceful dove who never caused any wars.

            If the DNC wanted the disaffected youth to vote for Harris, they should have promised change. Instead, they promised that nothing will change, that the economy is doing great right now, actually, while Trump represents a sledgehammer to our society. A horrible change that will affect everyone negatively, but he just lied about the negative bit.

            If the DNC wanted progressives to vote for Harris, they should have adopted progressive policies. Instead, they aggressively courted “Moderate Republicans” with stuff like promising to put more Republicans in the Harris Cabinet. The people who want more Republicans in positions of power are obviously just going to vote for Republican administration.

            The DNC threw away every advantage they had. Their messaging was, “We’re only a little bit better than the Conservatives” and people believed them. The informed voter obviously knows that Trump is 1000x worse than Harris, but most people aren’t well-informed. The DNC failed to understand that and failed to inform the voter base, instead relying on the psychopathic message of, “It votes for the Harris or it gets the Trump again”.

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              Where is build the wall and prosecute immigrants in her platform?

              Associating with the Cheneys was a terrible move; I agree.

              Look at her platform, there is plenty of economic change proposed. The president also has a small effect on the economy, usually at least. Trump wants to shock it with tariffs.

              Actually look at her platform because you’re wrong about almost everything in this comment. People, and bots, on social media perpetuated the claims your making on social media, not the platform.

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                Because what a candidates actual platform is doesn’t matter at all. You can write up whatever you want on your campain website, nobody is ever going to read it. Campaigns are built upon rallies, tv appearances, and social media. In all three spaces, Harris continually reached out to conservatives and ignored key progressive issues.

                Don’t get me wrong, I agree that her platform as written was fine. Some of her policies were interesting, but that’s not what she campaigned on.

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                  Harris shouldn’t have needed to reach out to progressives. We have two parties in the US. We have one vote only. Progressives had a choice to say “let’s let Trump win and move the country significantly further right” or “I like most of Harris’s policies and something is better than nothing”. The choice for progressives was crystal clear. Let’s not pretend otherwise. The progressives that didn’t vote let everyone down, including themselves. Their argument is completely invalid when you look at the real world in front of us.

                  If anyone calls themself a progressive and didn’t vote in this election, I have news for them: you’re not a progressive.

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            People need to feel incentivized to vote. The reality is Harris went too far in courting the right and ended up alienating a lot of progressives in the process. There were a lot of warning signs, people just didn’t want to listen.

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              No. https://kamalaharris.com/issues/ this is not too far right. People need to stop just listening to sound bites and talking points. All of the socialist voters think we’re going to just randomly have a socialist state one presidential cycle? Come on. I don’t buy it. The real fact here is that people who considered themselves unaffected by Trump couldn’t get off their high horse and try to help. You know what drags us more right? Trump winning and Republicans owning Congress.

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                Her platform and campaigning wasn’t good enough. It’s the unfortunate truth and people need to accept it. Trump got less votes than 2020, and he still won. Because Harris didn’t inspire enough people to vote. She tried to work with the “progressive” Republicans and get their vote. Like I said above “Better than Trump” is not something that incentivizes people to vote for.

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                  Better than Trump wasn’t her platform. I will die on this hill because I’m so sick of this. Look at her platform. What is too far right about her platform? Tell me specifically.

                  No her platform and campaign weren’t the biggest problem. The way you’re talking and everyone is parroting that was. The “everything or nothing” people were. The left sows its own apathy.

                  And, regardless of all of that, regardless of the fact that her platform was actually good, the idea that you only get to look at her platform in a vacuum is a complete joke. The idealism of the left is fucking us all. This isn’t a theoretical exercise. You realize Trump wants to pull out of NATO? That the right wants to outlaw life saving medical procedures? You realize real people are going to actually, without hyperbole, die because of this election?

                  We’re in a fight against a Christian fascist state right now. Miss me with this bullshit. I would have been 100% motivated to vote for a turkey sandwich. This is all such a joke and this narrative is infuriating. The left is constantly acting like a bunch of toddlers kicking and screaming because they got the wrong ice cream flavor while the right marches towards the end of everything I thought we believed in.

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        Democrats seem to consistently get record breaking funding from running aganst Trump, many are probably ecstatic they have four more years of free money from people who hate Trump.

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      If the left not voting leads to Democrats losing, you’d think the party would try to win those votes. Instead they campaign like they don’t need them. And well, I guess… the campaign advisors actually don’t need them, they’re gonna get hired to run the next campaign regardless. And the fat-cat donors are gonna stay rich regardless. Both ready to steer the next election!

      It’s always “the left” that’s causing candidates to win by not voting, it’s never candidates failing to give them something to vote for. Or advisors and donors pushing the candidates towards positions that will cost them the election. It’s always “the left”.

      But hey, she got the Cheney’s vote! And look, my swing state family’s as well. But Democratic candidates and policies need to go big, or they’re gonna keep being sent home. People voted for Trump for the same reason they voted for Obama - they absolutely want change, and 25K for a mortgage down payment ain’t it.

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    Thanks COVID. You took our family members, forced us to have to “save the economy” causing inflation and now gave us a dictator. The gift that keeps on giving.

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    All the dems had to do was run a Midwest guy to relate to people in the swing states to easily win the election. Instead, they chose an extremely unlikable Bay Area black woman to capture the rural vote in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Even her own party didn’t like her when she ran for president in 2020 and gave her 0 delegate votes.

    It’s so fucking simple but democrats can’t help but shoot themselves and by proxy everyone else in the foot.

    I’m not pissed at the ignorant rural voter, I’m pissed at the delusional and out of touch leaders in the Democratic Party who waited too long to find a replacement for Biden then chose the worst candidate to capture votes to do so.

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      I mean yeah, I agree with you, but I fail to see how what Trump promises improves any of the things that people said they care about during this election. Yes, shit’s expensive everywhere right now. But deporting all the foreigners and installing punitive tariffs isn’t going to fix it.

      And do we really think the corporate tax cuts that are ensure to be coming will end up raising wages?

      Trump can get away without campaigning on specifics, somehow.

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        This was a referendum on the status quo, and Harris ran on “more of the same”.

        You are trying to make this about Trump, but Trump wasn’t in power over the previous four years.