• 7101334@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      California has SO MANY languages

      Is that because indigenous people also realized it’s the best part of America (half joking, mostly not joking), or because of Spanish colonization somehow?

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        3 days ago

        It’s actually down to two reasons. Firstly California is probably the first part of North America to see continuous permanent settlement by humans, possibly including Non-Sapien genus Homo but that’s still up for debate. Mostly because everything further north was a frozen shithole on par with Svalbard.

        Secondly the various tribes of the West and especially in California were able to actually recover somewhat from the wave of plague the Spannish unleashed. Mostly because between the Sonora, Mojave, and Great Basin it meant that it took centuries for Europeans to get into California. Though the Russians may have been fucking around Oregon if a rather well traveled Native American from out east is to be believed. Sorry I can’t remember the dudes name or his tribe I think he was from Arkansas.

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          21 hours ago

          Though the Russians may have been fucking around Oregon if a rather well traveled Native American from out east is to be believed.

          The Russians were in Alaska, Oregon and parts of northern California in the 19th century. I’m not sure about Washington. They left examples of Russian architecture in Mendocino and Humboldt Bay, and a few place names such as Sebastopol in Sonoma County. Mainly fur trappers, though they did a bit of logging and fishing too. If your Native American source is implying far earlier contact, that might also be true but I don’t know of any evidence to support it.

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            21 hours ago

            It’s basically just his word for it. But he was in pretty constant contact with white people so I can assume he knew what he was looking at, this would’ve happened in the 1700s. As for what these possibly Russians were doing? Sounds like a slave raid by all accounts possibly out of Vladivostok or a similar port city, which basically garuntees that this was very illegal, also at best you’d probably get some landing sites and whatnot but I suspect that those have either been destroyed or are obscured at this point.

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      3 days ago

      My uncle had a relationship with a Dene woman. I had no idea that language family was so widespread! Fascinating.