• MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    42·
    7 days ago

    Can’t stay on Android because Google is anti-privacy. Can’t get a GrapheneOS phone because they’re only compatible with non-repairable devices. Can’t get a FairPhone or Jolla because I live in America. Can’t get an HMD because the bootloader is locked.

    Even e/os and LineageOS have security problems.

    There is no good phone on the market, to my knowledge. You can’t have privacy, repairability, and security all at the same time.

    • MalReynolds@piefed.socialEnglish
      15·
      6 days ago

      Can’t get a GrapheneOS phone because they’re only compatible with non-repairable devices

      Replaced the battery in my Pixel 7 in like 30 min with an iFixit kit, nowhere near as imposing as I’d thought. They have screens too, the rest is mainboard, but that’s nearly all phones.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        7·
        6 days ago

        The Pixel 7 requires a heat gun to get to the battery because it’s glued down, and step 31 in the process goes over what to do if your battery is stuck even after applying heat. It’s impressive that you were able to replace the battery without many problems, but companies shouldn’t be adding unnecessary complications like gluing down the battery in the first place.

        https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Google+Pixel+7+Battery+Replacement/154680

        • MalReynolds@piefed.socialEnglish
          6·
          6 days ago

          Sure, glue sucks, but I didn’t need a heat gun (or hair dryer), just the microwave heated tube thingy and the slicer tab. Admittedly the old battery was a bit spicy pillow which may have helped, dunno. If it’s too imposing, just get a pro to do it.

          Afterwards I got a ‘chargie’ which connects between the wall charger and the phone and lets you choose how much to charge it to, e.g. 80%. More importantly it lets you cut off charging when the device is over a certain temperature, e.g. 33C. Pretty sure the old battery cooked itself during summer, it was happily charging at 50+C, which is definitely not good. 2 years later and it still reports 99% health (although it mostly stays in it’s wireless charging dock, so YMMV). Like that you may not need to replace the battery more than once during the 7 years of security updates the more modern Pixels have.

    • JamesTBagg@lemmy.world
      171·
      6 days ago

      I’m looking forward to the Motorola and Graphene partnership. I may finally upgrade the S10 in still using.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        I’m cautiously optimistic for that but need to see the specs and disassembly. Either way, it’s an important step forward for the phone industry.

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      Why cant you repair the google phones? Most of the common repairs are not that hard to do. I recently did a battery swap on a “non repairable phone” cost $30 and was pretty easy. Going to replace the usb c port next.

        • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          5 days ago

          Samsung S10. It wasnt repair friendly but taking it apart was just applying some heat and unscrewing some things and once you got it open it was just like a computer but smaller.

    • ddplf@szmer.info
      5·
      6 days ago

      The new Pixel 10a is very much repairable. It also doesn’t have this fucking horrible camera bulge that other Pixels have.

    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
      31·
      6 days ago

      Well yes. But gotta say, my last three phones lasted me 13 years and counting without requiring any repair. Unless you drop your phone regularly or sometging like that, I am not sure how important repairability really is.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        6 days ago

        Personally, every modern phone I’ve owned post-Blackberry has battery problems within the first year. I’d like to be able to swap out the battery when that instead of getting a new phone or dealing with bad battery life.

        • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
          31·
          6 days ago

          Understandable, though I don’t share your issue. Or rather, it has usually been a software problem (app wasting battery) rather than HW one.

    • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      I really feel like I should have bought a phone 2 years ago… Mine is now 6 years old and I hate everything that is happening to android sine version 11(i’m on 10)

  • Wander@sh.itjust.works
    14·
    6 days ago

    So I already have apps downloaded from f-droid including encrypted folder. What happens to this from September. Do i get to keep them?

    If i do get to keep them are there any apps I should download while I still can?

    Also if f droid is going to stop working but I already have it what does that mean? Are google going to outright takeover my phone like some IT department in a big company and delete and install everything they want on there?

    • notabot@piefed.socialEnglish
      10·
      6 days ago

      Once this rolls out, the apps stop working. Google have said there’ll be a process you can go through to allow other apps on your phone, but it doesn’t seem to be available yet. Presumably you’ll need to go through this if you want to use f-droid after the change too.

      • Wander@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        5 days ago

        Man this is all horseshit of the highest degree.

        Fuck the internet changed so much from when i was a kid. I was some fucking catholic school boy on the internet anonymously having debates and learning things I couldn’t have access to at home or in school. I seen the wonders of the internet and the huge potential enlightenment and community it could bring now we have this shit.

        We all going to get arrested in 2030 for having Linux and a VPN aren’t we?

        Wish EU kept Nokia going, and invested in Linux too I guess. I’d rather get shafted by the Fins than the Americans

  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
    231·
    7 days ago

    I paid off my old phone early and got a grapheneOS phone ASAP just because of these motherfuckers.

    Hell, I was firmly in the Android camp specifically because of the open source nature of their software. I never made the apps I wanted to make, but I like having the option to do so.

    So you can go fuck yourself, google. Yes my phone is a Googlepixel 10 because they work best with grapheneOS. In a few years if I can I will get a Linux phone.

      • BloodMuffin@lemmy.caEnglish
        7·
        6 days ago

        it’s called GrapheneOS.

        it gets popular by you installing it and telling your friends

          • BloodMuffin@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            6 days ago

            yeah, the problem with a pre-installed OS is that you don’t know what’s in it, the carrier could have installed a fork or spyware that defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS.

            it’s much more secure to download, verify, and install the OS to your phone yourself.

            hopefully people wake up to all the bad-faith surveillance happening and become willing to take that step, which is much easier than it sound

          • 0x0@lemmy.zip
            2·
            6 days ago

            Don’t let the grapheme crowd hear you. Maybe Motorola will work it out.

      • AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
        2·
        6 days ago

        Would a hard fork not splinter the software support, killing the ecosystem? E.g. some devs only support that hard fork, others only the android compatible version.

        • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          I would be fine with that split. That would be an almost ideal situation even, and a thin compatibility layer like proton or even just an invisible container system similar to docker or flatpak could handle getting more of android onto the fork when it all stops being completely compatible. More effort but hopefully only needed short term.

          • AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
            12·
            6 days ago

            Hardware compatibility is the major problem with alternative android. Basically I have to buy a 10 year old used phone as is. Would this only make this worse?

            Anyway, maybe AI code generation could actually help with things like hardware compatibility. Things like an AI agent could iterate on reading about a smartphone model and testing various configurations and patch drivers to make it compatible for many more devices. Not sure if AI is suitable for that, but you should be able to define stringent test cases for this.

    • madthumbs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      7 days ago

      They do make a small profit off those phones, while you could’ve simply hit them where it counts with ad-blocking and tracker protection.

  • Freefall@lemmy.world
    12·
    7 days ago

    What in the Apple products are you trying to do Google? Guess we will just dump you like we did Windows when they put 11 out and the Linux draw became too great.

    • Xatolos@reddthat.com
      24·
      6 days ago

      They are following what Apple is doing because its whats legal. Apple made their system closed and Google made theirs open. Both got sued multiple times in court and Apple kept winning because they were closed and Google kept losing because they were open. It doesnt take much to see what to do next. They will just copy the Apple model in Europe because its the the one most approved by world courts and governments.

      • 0x0@lemmy.zip
        3·
        6 days ago

        There’s a thing called precedent.
        Also, Apple has been.contested in Europe precisely because it’s closed. They’ve been forced to open up their app store more… which makes Google’s stance all the more strange.

  • RQG@lemmy.world
    4·
    6 days ago

    It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

    I switched to graphene OS just a month ago when I first heard about it.

    I’m happy to report it was easy, everything works perfectly and the user experience is better. Full control, no bloat. Should have switched way sooner but I was intimidated by never having done any installs on a phone.

  • sexy_peach@feddit.orgEnglish
    3·
    7 days ago

    I switched to /e/OS and it’s glorious. Just ignore their cloud services. You don’t need them.