Despite his ailing health, former president Joe Biden said he continues to participate in political discussions with both Democratic and Republican officials.
His presidency will be remembered not for what he did, which was mostly good, but for what he did not do. His legacy will be viewed similarly to Hoover’s. Both were principled men who, when faced with a serious problem, could not find it in themselves to deal with it.
Dear god, Hoover was a monster and a criminal. He is known in particular for how unprincipled he was. From casually violating human rights at a national scale to targeting civil rights leaders, to blackmail and terrorism, he established the playbook that modern totalitarians like Trump continue to abuse today.
Using Hoover and Biden in the same breath, let alone calling a monster like Hoover “principled” is beyond the pale.
Edit: Ignore this rant. I was thinking J Edgar Hoover, notorious leader of the BOI/FBI, not former president Herbert Hoover who was absolutely a forgettable milquetoast president like Biden. Though Biden didn’t murder and tear-gas our own unemployed veterans, so he does have that going for him.
Perhaps principled wasn’t the best term I could have used. It was meant in terms of their philosophy of the role of government. There’s no question that Herbert Hoover prioritized that over helping people.
It still kinda made sense if you knew about the Palmer raids and the first red scare, however, I doubt anybody has ever been taught about those things in the US lol
I guess I should have been specific. J Edgar was certainly a monster, he ran the FBI like his own private army and multiple presidents just let him do it.
James Buchanan is the analogy I make, and we’re likely going to have a similar level of strife following his presidency and the country looking different after the resulting strife
oh my god please stop with this loser ass philosophy. you’re fighting nazis. there’s no place in a democracy for nazis. that should be your number one principle, and if it isn’t, fuck your dumbass principles that allow nazis to come to power and wreak havoc with no consequence.
Trump should have been in jail day one. They should have rounded up all the right wing terrorists and put them in gitmo they should have shut down Twitter, Facebook/meta, reddit and tiktok and tracked down and destroyed all the troll farms with drone strikes. They should have taken out putin. They should have done a million other things and they failed us.
His presidency will be remembered not for what he did, which was mostly good, but for what he did not do. His legacy will be viewed similarly to Hoover’s. Both were principled men who, when faced with a serious problem, could not find it in themselves to deal with it.
Dear god, Hoover was a monster and a criminal. He is known in particular for how unprincipled he was. From casually violating human rights at a national scale to targeting civil rights leaders, to blackmail and terrorism, he established the playbook that modern totalitarians like Trump continue to abuse today.
Using Hoover and Biden in the same breath, let alone calling a monster like Hoover “principled” is beyond the pale.
Edit: Ignore this rant. I was thinking J Edgar Hoover, notorious leader of the BOI/FBI, not former president Herbert Hoover who was absolutely a forgettable milquetoast president like Biden. Though Biden didn’t murder and tear-gas our own unemployed veterans, so he does have that going for him.
Not the FBI Hoover… President Hoover
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
Herbert Hoover sucked ass too, they weren’t called Hoovervilles because he did such an amazing job of stewardship and not being a racist.
What’s funny is how much accidental overlap there actually is between them. Principled my ass lmao.
Perhaps principled wasn’t the best term I could have used. It was meant in terms of their philosophy of the role of government. There’s no question that Herbert Hoover prioritized that over helping people.
That’s kind of the point of this thread I’m glad we’re having a consensus.
Oh, dear god. You’re right. Ha. That’s actually a very apt comparison.
I complain about J Edgar too much and forgot Herbert Hoover even existed, as I am sure history will forget about Biden.
I was so confused until I got to the edit.
It still kinda made sense if you knew about the Palmer raids and the first red scare, however, I doubt anybody has ever been taught about those things in the US lol
Yeah Hoover was pretty bad… We had literal shanty towns all over the place that people called “Hoovervilles”
I guess I should have been specific. J Edgar was certainly a monster, he ran the FBI like his own private army and multiple presidents just let him do it.
Sadly one of Biden’s principles was blindly supporting Israel no matter what they do, even through an ongoing genocide.
…maybe more like Neville Chamberlain’s legacy.
Yeah, not sure how you put those two together chief
hey those bombs that killed babies in hospitals had shareholders.
James Buchanan is the analogy I make, and we’re likely going to have a similar level of strife following his presidency and the country looking different after the resulting strife
… without losing their principles. If Biden chose to keep his own principles, I accept that.
If we defeat evil but become evil doing so, we haven’t won.
oh my god please stop with this loser ass philosophy. you’re fighting nazis. there’s no place in a democracy for nazis. that should be your number one principle, and if it isn’t, fuck your dumbass principles that allow nazis to come to power and wreak havoc with no consequence.
He could have put in so many safeguards on his way out the door. Instead he chose to do nothing, except pardon his own family
Trump should have been in jail day one. They should have rounded up all the right wing terrorists and put them in gitmo they should have shut down Twitter, Facebook/meta, reddit and tiktok and tracked down and destroyed all the troll farms with drone strikes. They should have taken out putin. They should have done a million other things and they failed us.
This kind of rhetoric makes you just as bad as the Republicans