I think that word is designed for someone like Noem.

Yeah. I mean I understand that for a very large population - the boomers - the Watergate thing was extremely formative for the time. But when someone tries to tell me that Iran/Contra was not as bad as Watergate? I just don’t get that. It’s just like what you say - it sounds like some wild-eyed black helicopter thing when you read it out loud. It also reads like a rather salacious Hollywood plot when you add in that Ollie North, decades later - in 2025 - married the secretary (Fawn Hall) that helped him shred documents…Fawn Hall also dated Rob Lowe because he saw her in the trial…and she was offered lots of money to pose nude.

Ever since Watergate, a -gate is added to every scandal, even after Iran/Contra, even though Iran/Contra seems remarkably worse. I guess at that point, the boomers and the Silent Generation were jaded and had PTSD by so many things that came before, but…wow. Also, Gen X is a much smaller set of people, so their opinion on it or impressions didn’t really matter, and Gen Y was much too young or not born.

Could not agree more.

If only it was the boomers that had to wake up.

Isn’t that part of their job? To tour things like this?

John McCain earned a lot of respect when he rejected an attack on Obama and pointed out that Obama was a decent person and family man who merely disagreed with McCain on some political issues.

Well, from normal people, he earned respect for being truthful about this.

From the far right, he got labeled a “RINO” and was considered a “squish” and so on. But this same bunch also felt betrayed by McCain voting down their attempt to rip away health care from millions of Americans, too.

The conservative playbook is to never admit you were wrong and definitely never apologize and just continue with the Gish Gallop. Also, follow The Blessed Saint Ronnie Raygun’s (PBUH) 11th commandment - Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.

In other words…she fucking LIED the first time around. And this time around she’s expecting us to believe that toddlers are carrying out violence that requires tear gas? How is endangering the lives of toddlers keeping anyone safe? So, more lies. When I see her sitting there and giving bald-faced lies to reporters, I think that’s the same face she had as she murdered her dog and goat. It looks like you are just watching a psychopath reel off their talking points.

Also, remember how the right lost their minds over things like Jade Helm and how Obama The Kenyan Usurper was going to seize Texas or whatever?

These fucking assholes are unironically giving names like “Operation Metro Surge” to their terrorism conducted on Americans. It’s clearly just a pretext to do the worst things to areas and people not sufficiently loyal to conservatism’s aims.

If this was something that was serious and planned then we would have started hearing about this months ago as they started preparing the lies and the misinformation seeding into social media via paid/artificial content creators or otherwise useful idiots. This is probably the strongest indication that Greenland is a distraction and not a real move. This is probably the case with Canada too, in my opinion.

He did start babbling about it early in his second failed term. And I did see attempts to sanewash this talk about Greenland in places like The Atlantic, for example.

But yeah, the messaging on this has been extremely scattershot.

That is wild. I wonder why Greenland would be the tipping point?

Usually conservatives practically swoon at the notion of invading and occupying things, despite all their talk about “America first”, it’s usually really Israel first, Americans dead last, and when it’s time to bomb/invade something, they are balls-deep on the cheer-leading.

Well, the domestic policy is not exactly Sermon on the Mount stuff, either.

Hm, so weird.

I thought this was conspiracy theory, at least according to the corporatist media, the Elevated Centrists, and certainly Donvict himself.

My guess is that it had something to do with the age of the writers? Nixon really broke the mold, I guess.

A lot of things happened in the 60s and 70s that broke a lot of cherished myths of post-war America. Seeing JFK and RFK getting assassinated. MLK getting assassinated. Pentagon Papers. An incredibly painful economy. Oil embargoes. Then Nixon and Watergate…then the Church Committee. I’m assuming if they were to do a word association, they’d probably associate Nixon with all or most of this stuff. It definitely made an impression on the boomer mindset.

But Ronnie Raygun was far worse than Nixon. I think at that point, the boomers (and their parents) were just sick of all the bad news and conservative corruption and mostly tuned it out. The media mostly turned away entirely from the Iran/Contra affair.

And of course Bush Senior and W were not exactly great.

And now there’s Taco…

Calling it a “crackdown” makes it seem some kind of crime was taking place.

I guess this is the conservatives “backing the blue”?

These guys are just gonna wait Taco out, then.

Well, if they weren’t going to wake up after Iran/Contra…or the allegations that Ronnie Raygun worked to purposefully fuck up the release of the Iran hostages [1] so that he could do it during his Inauguration…but no.

They elected Bush Senior into office even though he was VP in the most criminal administration in history. I guess people could tell themselves that he somehow knew nothing about all the crimes, but…

[1] https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a43368900/reagan-iran-hostages/

How will Vance be any better? That thirsty little shit might continue the exact same set of projects.

Yeah, he’s always been mocked and derided since at least the 80s. The local press knew who and what he was for sure. Magazines like Spy mocked him all the time.

I’m sure with his fragile snowflake ego that he has never felt fully accepted by the typical elites, especially old money. Maybe creepy pedo weirdo elites like Epstein and the freak(s) he ran his beauty pageants with at least tolerated having him around.

The guy has always come off as thirsty AF for approval by things like Hollywood and so on, too…

The fact that a third of the country are exactly the same really exposes how deep the USA’s problems with mental health go.

This last part is the scary part. Normal humans see Grandpa Klan Robe here raging out and calling for “retribution” and think - someone should take the keys away.

Dumbass conservative apes with broken brains look at that and cheer him on and want to vote for him even harder. 1984 was all too prescient, but that’s because he was looking at quite recent events - “We’ve always been at war with [Greenland|Venezuela|Canada|Mexico]!”