Fuck you, Stephen Miller. Stop being a chicken and fight me.
I’m approaching 50 years old I’ve had a lower back fusion and I’m 2 months out from a C6 neck fusion. I want to fight him
We only pick fights we know we can win. I’m a 5’4” woman who is a little over weight and I don’t exercise.
I hope enough people start sending him fist fight challenges that he explodes in cable news like that guy in Big Trouble in Little China.
To be clear, he essentially claimed that the US has the capability to forcibly do that- which isn’t so much an assertion that the US has any right to do a thing, it is that laws and rights are meaningless in his view. He’s framing a potential invasion or coup not supported by law or rights as if it’s legitimized by either, while fundamentally subverting the notion that anyone but the powerful have rights the US is bound to respect.
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The other day Stephen Miller was on Jake Tapper’s show and was ranting about how everything went bad after the end WWII.
I can understand why some people want to go back to how things were in the 50s and 60s because there was a lot of economic prosperity then.
But Stephen Miller wants to go back to the times before the Nazis were defeated. So that’s a little unusual, isn’t it?
I would like to see someone ask him what that’s even supposed to mean? Wasn’t America in a Great Depression just before WWII? Or was he pining for America fighting WWII and things being rationed at home and more women in the workplace?
Not to put too fine a point on it but this is exactly what the entire rest of the world would say when 2A cultists would talk about how “guns keep da gubmint in check”.
Maybe, instead of wasting money, blood and political capital on making sure every psycho could pack heat it may have been wiser to spend it on firming up the laws and protecting against exactly what is happening now. For example, maybe a President responsible for a coup should not have been on the ballot.
I think you’ll find that it’s a whole lot easier to find people willing to kill for a paycheck, rather than dying for one.
Meaning of course, bring guns to protests to show that you have them. Those chicken shits wont start shooting if they are at risk of dying themselves.
This sounds like a great way to get two angry sides of a protest to start shooting at each other
Much better that the government has the guns?
The government has monopolized violence. If you turn a firearm on the fascists you’ll only get yourself shot.
Organize, outnumber, overwhelm. You can blind and disable ICE vehicles with water balloons full of used motor oil and sand.
Nonsense. They are cowards that doesn’t trade their lifes for a paycheck. In the us you are legally allowed to have your firearm at a protest. Start using them.
The purpose of having the guns is to shoot them. I think people lost sight of this.
In the US you get two options and both are completely uninterested in “firming up the laws” and reining in the power of the executive. Trump can do basically whatever he wants, because after 9/11, Democrats fully supported measures like the Patriot Act that vastly expanded executive power, and when Obama came in after Bush he did nothing to hold him accountable for war crimes and torture, while continuing to use the same tools for largely the same purposes. No president wants to prosecute a former president for illegal activity because that would open the door for being prosecuted for their own illegal activities, which they all perform.
It doesn’t really matter if the average American cares about guns or about something else. We’ve never been given an opportunity to vote on the power of the executive just like we’ve never been given an opportunity to vote on Venezuela or Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen. The powers that be decide these things, all the voters do is choose which face they want doing it, which aesthetics and justifications will be used for decisions that have already been made.
The people who talked like that the most are fine with this and the party that enabled them also did everything they could to break it.
Conservatives believe that giving food stamps to single moms is the Tyranny they’re defending against. The Left strongly supports gun rights too but are dramatically outnumbered by liberals.
Based ooooonnnnnn…?
Having more guns.
His follical psychic, he reads the GLH pattern on Miller’s head and predicts the future.
a superiority complex
You sure it’s not an inferiority complex?
Pretty sure, yeah. It’s named for the behavior not the cause. The cause is his deep sense of inferiority which he overcompensates for both in his behavior and self-presentation as well as, I would imagine, in the construction of his worldview. According to his maladjusted worldview and behavior, he appears to believe himself superior, but he’s driven by a sense of inadequacy.
Scrawny bitch spouts off about how “might makes right”
More like Cuck Makes Buck with this one.
His assertion is that might makes right, so according to Stephen Miller, all Denmark has to do is shoot him in the face.
It’s wild to me that the US is going to make a run at taking over the world. Growing up here in the 80s and 90s we were taught that we were the country that prevented anyone else from trying that. Hell we, according to our schooling, ended both world wars.
I don’t mean that I grew up trusting the government, but it wasn’t on my life bingo card that we would ever attempt world conquest. Trump was a guy everybody made fun of when I was a kid, so him as president was unexpected the first time, and unimaginable a second time after his first performance.
We live in a bad novel. The plot is stupid and the characters suck and the ending is going to be ugly.
Back to the Future, Aliexpress edition.
One of the problems withamerica their ingrained manifest Destiny belif.
Blame whatever you want, but if probably all the rest of the developed world doesn’t cooperate and do something about it soon we’re gonna get to find out what WWIII looks like.
Yeah, if anything, 1945-2025 may end being a historical anomaly. The US was an aggressively expensive colonial settler state though most of its history. We’re still settler colonial, but we’ve at least not been aggressively expansionist for nearly a century.
Over 300 years of aggressive expansion (if you include the colonial period.) A return to orthodoxy after an 80 year hiatus doesn’t seem so unusual in that regard. Really, everyone who remembered why we stopped acting that way has now died of old age, so we now have only our shared national mythos to guide us. And our culture has continued to celebrate its expansionist past, even if we’ve walked away from it as policy over the last few generations.
we were the country that prevented anyone else from trying that
And what better way than just doing it ourselves!
I hate it.
I’m about the same age and definitely wasn’t taught that. I was taught that other countries only remain free because of our protection and the US and the USSR were basically like two crime families fighting each other over territory.
the US is going to make a run at taking over the world
I hope that’s not meant to imply that the US is a monolith. This is the US government hijacked by dictator Trump. The American people have not been asked, and have no representation in the current criminal regime.
Nope, we haven’t been asked at all, but Hitler didn’t ask Germany if they wanted to take over the world before he tried either. Just because I’m against what my country is doing doesn’t exempt me from the deserved hatred the rest of the world must feel towards us.
Hell, there’s a nonzero chance that the last election was completely rigged, Trump didn’t win a damn thing, and he was simply installed to do this grizzly work by the rich men who want to own everything. We don’t have a mechanism in place to reel the bastards in. Militarization on our own soil has begun to squash resistance, they’ve just decorated it as immigration control. Shit, our cops have had armored vehicles and such for decades.
I’m not convinced it’s hopeless, but only because I’ve read too many books where the “good guys” win. A third of my country has never read a book voluntarily. Here we are.
That’s not entirely fair to say. Trump is certainly a critical component in all this, but absolutely none of it would be possible without the Republican party being so eagerly complicit. They let him make the big, loud, unfavorable moves and support those moves as quietly as they can.
The Republican Party has always been full of Republicans. The reason that someone like Taco was able to walk into the place, slap his name on the place, and do even worse things than they were doing before is no accident.
When people in the Republican Party pine for the party of “true conservatives” and pretend they don’t understand what happened to their party, they are obviously ignoring decades of history, including the work of hate radio and Faux News.
Did you miss the US spreading fascism to every corner of the globe. The US already won the war. Every country is fascist with ever growing income gaps. The wealthy won and humanity lost.
Actually, they don’t.
When Denmark sold the Danish West Indies to USA in 1916-1917, part of that deal was to ratify that USA accepted the full Danish ownership of Greenland.
At the time, this was done to keep Norway from making claims to Greenland.
But anyway, we quite literally have a document written by USA and signed by USA stating that Denmark alone owns Greenland.
Edit: Took some time to find, but here it is signed by U.S Secretary of State Robert Lansing who made the deal under President Woodrow Wilson.
Might want to ask the indigenous people how effective pieces of paper are at holding back the US military.
If you can’t trust the agreements that a government makes, what good is that government.
Some might think it’s cool that the current administration don’t give a shit and is all about action over words, but it’s not going to be pretty when they themselves rely on words.
I don’t think this administration gives a shit about documents, precedent, or the rule of law.
They don’t give a shit because nobody is holding them accountable. The rest of the western world is waiting for the American people to start holding their government accountable and it’s just not happening.
It didn’t happen in Germany or Japan even after they were firebombed and / or nuked.
People really don’t like holding power - even the formerly poweful - to account; and people in power generally don’t like it either (unless it suits them).
I suspect it’s partly because doing so would lead to the obvious question: who gave then the power in the first place?
You are making some pretty wild statements… those in power don’t actually like holding power? That is a bonkers statement to me. The people who SHOULD have the power never do, because they simply don’t want the power. I can maybe see that, but the people in this day and age that HAVE the power? Most definitely want it, in fact I’d argue they want even more. Gluttonous savage pigs that they are. Will consume and consume and consume until someone puts a stop to it.
They said that people don’t like holding power to account
Ah. So they did.
Yep 😀
“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper
“We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”
“The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”
He’s not arguing we have some ‘legal’ right, he’s arguing that since we have a military, we can do whatever we want wherever we want so long as no one is able to successfully stop us…
He’s giving some serious Hitler vibes. Also, Thrasymachus.
He’s also basically saying that if anyone is capable of violently overthrowing the US, then they have a right to do so.
Also, dismissing international treaties as “niceties” comes very close to treason, as he’s basically saying to disregard the laws as they were written by constitutional authority.
If legal documents no longer count for anything, then neither does the constitution. That would mean the US government has no legal authority.
It’s a dangerously slippery slope, but I think he’s lusting for the chaos that would result.
He’s also asking what right Denmark has to it, which is what I addressed. USA gave us that right.
I don’t really think they’re going to do anything just now. USA can already have all the military they want on Greenland. They’re the ones who are supposed to protect it, so if they choose to attack, what the hell are they supposed to attack? The snow?
It would basically mean that they withdraw from NATO, which is a bit over the top for putting a flag in the snow in an area they already control.
I think that it’s all a distraction. They’re probably going for a surprise attack in Panama any day now.
If nobody fights back, it means everyone has withdrawn from NATO.
I guess in the CNN interview he said that? I just read the article, which would make me think his response would simply be “Well Denmark’s smaller military means they have no rights”.
But you are absolutely right that USA can pretty much already stage whatever military presence they want in Greenland so long as everyone can rationalize it as supporting NATO objectives, which would generally rubber stamp Greenland. The ‘we need Greenland for defense’ rings hollow with that.
However, I think the military is an excuse, and they really want:
- To have probable ports in a potentially more relevant shipping activity and extract some economic control from that position
- To hedge bets against warming to have some land that might be more attractive if local temperatures rise a certain amount
- Exert greater pressure on Canada to join up, being surrounded basically on all sides by USA.
They see a significant land mass with fewer than 100k as a cakewalk, from a force perspective, and given their ‘might makes right’ philosophy, it could be a likely next stepping stone.
So you signed a piece of paper. A treaty with a nation that broke treaties (with native Americans) since the start of its existence and you expect a century old piece of paper with a country that has been breaking treaties for twice that long to be worth anything?
Lol
I feel this thing needs to be shared all over the place. Like massively.
Great
When the bombs start dropping, don’t forget to wave this piece of paper at them, I’m sure they’ll care
That’s the point Steven Miller was trying to make. Don’t give it validity. The international community must insist on following the law, as it’s written on paper.
Dropping bombs where?
The only military presence on Greenland is already the American NATO base. Everyone else up there are civilians.
They’re gonna bomb the snow just for the fuck of it?
The whole thing is absurd. It’s a distraction.
By even suggesting that these people might have a point, you’re playing right into their hands.
🤓🫱🦋 Is this toilet paper?
Miller to CNN Host Jake Tapper:
“We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”
Stephen Miller is a sociopath, a fascist and a deeply insecure wannabe bully with a massive inferiority complex, second only to Trump.
Make no mistake: This is it, the fascist and authoritarian takeover that history has been warning us about for 80 years. It’s back. These people will do everything in their power to make this happen, and they mean what they say. Greenland and Canada are already boosting defense spending. The world is gearing up for war in response to the belligerent Hitler-like threats from Trump and Putin.
It will be almost impossible to prevent the use of nuclear weapons in a third world war. If Trump and the neo-fascist Republican Party are not removed from power soon, they will attempt to take over our half of the world. China will take Taiwan, and Putin will shoot for Europe after support for Ukraine wanes. When they’re finished, they’ll all turn on each other.
That is where this kind of naked violence-is-the only-true-power kind of logic leads.
I think historians looking back (assuming there are any) will say we’re already in the early stages of WW3. These are the opening moves of a global conflict.
Everybody should watch this documentary about the rise of fascism in the US.
It’s more relevant than ever.
Giving that an upvote just because you called the Starship Troopers movie a documentary.
Giving it a second because you are correct.
I wish that directly following that tirade about strength and power, Jake Tapper had punched the absolute fuck out of Stephen’s face and made him bawl his Nazi eyes out right in front of the cameras for his Nazi fans to be embarrassed by. Why was big balls the only Nazi that’s gotten his ass kicked lately?
“Govern this by strength, fascist!” 👊
I just want to engineer green energy stuff and help people keep their lights on without destroying earth in the process, like I never signed up for any of this shit and I’m not ok with any of it.
I want to destroy this admins legs so we can take a breath and have a talk amongst ourselves, this shit is getting wildly out of hand.
Our military needs to be reminded that they work for the Constitution, not a fucking pedophile rapist felon dictator. If the Pedo-in-Chief gives an illegal order or something that is just plain wrong, then need to grow a fucking spine and say no. Quit if you have to. Protest. Attacking other countries because a fascist PoS tells you to is like following Hitler’s orders— you wanna be remembered as being like fucking Hitler??? Wtf
The checks against this are designed to feel good, but require that people de facto forced into the military to sacrifice their own lives unilaterally.
Dear Americans,
I know there are some of you that are still good people, but the polls show that over 80% of Republicans and 30% of Independents (edit… Fixed this) support this President. Overall is about 40%. Fucking two in five. This is fucking insane.
Know this: If you invade Mexico, it will very likely be WW3. If you invade Greenland it most certainly will be. Everyone that I know in Canada is preparing.
If you are a good American, you are at a turning point RIGHT NOW. You may be past the point where protest matters. Maybe a general strike is the next step. And maybe that cherished 2A, which you’ve paid for in the blood of dead children, needs to be exercised. The point wasn’t just to look cool shooting your guns. You know what the purpose of the 2A is, and it’s ugly and it’s hard.
I’m telling you as a Canadian that if you talk about it and deliberate it, and talk about how people are acting and talk about how people are talking about it, you’re wasting precious time. You need to ACT and you need to ACT NOW. I’m sorry, but it has to be you guys. You have friends and support in other countries, but YOU are the ones that need to lead it.
Edit. Looks like I upset some Americans. That’s really unfortunate for you. If you think you didn’t ask for this, think about how I feel in another country. You have the means to upset things, I do not. Take some responsibility.
Edit 2. To all of the good hearted and suffering Americans who read this, I want to pull back a bit. I know there are good people, I have family and friends in the US. In my defense there is a lot happening very quickly, and the potential for actual, existential impact to me and my family is becoming real enough that I’ve started a trigger based prep plan and have started reconnecting with my CAF contacts. In the last few days this has ratcheted up to a new level. I’m really fucking angry. I’m angry at everyone. I’m angry that I couldn’t give my kids a future in a better world than I had. Yes I’m angry at you but not at you in particular. In fact I want you to have courage and strength because I realize what you face is also an existential threat. I want you to succeed. I need you to succeed. Please look past my anger and realize that you do have people around the world who will rise up and support you, who will fuel the fire. But we can’t light it. That’s all on you guys.
I’m simply going to say that the reaction to your comment is also a big part of the problem in the US. We are so hopelessly divided that we don’t even know where to start, much less how to talk about it. It frustrates me on a constant and enraging basis.
Also, you’re screaming to the void a bit. Making a plea to Americans as a whole on Lemmy is like burping into a mailbox and expecting the weather to change.
No offense meant, and I agree with the meat of your sentiment. Nor am I dismissing what you said - just giving my insight as someone who sees what this country is and what it’s about on the daily.
You are talking sense.
US liberals REALLY don’t like that. The mere suggestion that their good intentions mean fuck all will turn them into rabid MAGA-level ad hominem shitheads real quick. They REALLY don’t like being reminded that they’re a bunch of goddamn cowards who care far more about maintaining their lifestyles than they do about their country.
Dear Rest of the world: I think you’re still in denial and need to understand some things.
There are three main factions in the US, two of which have actively taken a side: Pro-trump/Maga and Anti-trump/anti-fash (because this is way bigger than just trump). The third group is staying out of it and consists of the apathetic(“I’m too busy just trying to get by”), the dual-haters (“Democrats are just as bad so fuck everyone”), and the frightened targets who are lying low.
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When you say things like, “you sacrificed children for your 2nd amendment, this is what it’s for,now is the time to use it” you are talking to the Magats. They love guns and the second amendment but they are the PRO-trump faction–they aren’t going to go against him, they love him. The Anti-trumpers are not the gun nuts, though some of them have been acquiring guns recently out of fear.
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The numbers are against the Anti-fash faction: There are a lot of magats/maga supporters, more than many want to realize or admit. They do not live in the same reality as the rest of us. They watch and listen to pro-fash propaganda from Trump, the media, their religious groups, and now the institutions of government itself. They believe it and believe in it. Anti-trumpers are in the minority compared to the magats and the third group. Looking at protester demographics, a large percentage are older/retired, which doesn’t help in a general strike. These numbers will likely shift toward the anti-fash as things get worse, but it hasn’t happened fast enough.
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The entire republican party apparatus is completely under trump/maga control, and it controls the entire federal government and the majority of state governments. The Supreme Court majority is 90% in agreement with their agenda, so the regime can do whatever the hell it wants with impunity. And is.
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The magas have taken control of the election process in many States. We don’t know how free and fair the 2026 elections will be. We can be sure that by 2028 they’ll have even more control over the election process in more states than they do now.
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Trump will invade Greenland, at least if Europe and NATO don’t make it clear they will go to war against the US to stop him and I’ve seen nothing but hand-wringing and “please don’t talk like that” from them so far. Trump is all in on the “Sphere of Influence” worldview with Putin and in that worldview USA gets the Western Hemisphere. Europe and Canada: Stop wishing and waiting for American citizens to be able to depose this regime and start preparing for what you’re going to do about the US.
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This would work if someone supported the dissenters financially. Until then you are asking people eho have been systemically drained to travel thousands of miles to their capital. Need I remind you Jan 6 only happened because Republicans paid for people to get there.
How? Its not like we got here because the people okay with this are capable of being reasoned with and we refused to.
We’ve literally been trying to get people to wake the fuck up and smell the fascism for over a decade at this point.
Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket book. Stop being a productive pawn in their schemes.
Dude healthcare is tied to employment and majority of us are living paycheck to paycheck. We can’t afford to lose our jobs.
Unfortunately you will probably believe that right up until you start losing your lives and then it will be much too late.
That’s still not a solution.
Medical insurance is the only reason I keep working.
Same.
By design and you well loose your job to AI or offshoring anyway.
Problem is you always need rich people for revolution just like the fairy tale Americans tell about their founding.
I already practically spend all day at work, doing basically nothing, getting baked in my car in the name of slowing fascism.
I do any less they’ll replace me with a stooge that does harder work for less dough, and then I couldn’t pay for rent, estrodiol, food, or weed.
I’d love a general strike. Good luck in this individualist shithole.
You know how, but it involves personal sacrifice and you don’t want to do it. You don’t want to lose your job, you don’t want to be jailed, and you especially don’t want to turn to violence. But I’m sorry to say that all of these things are possible, and it’s the risk you have to take.
Find trusted like minded people and start reacting. A critical mass of visible resistance is needed, and that critical mass is made up of small visible actions.
Why on gods green earth should I have to face the wraith of something I had nothing to fucking do with? I didn’t vote these people in, I’ve not even had the right to vote for a decade yet.
I’m barely any more part of this than any other poor sucker in any other fucking western country.
i’ve been fighting this shit for 30 years longer than you dude. why the fuck should i have to keep fighting? still do. we need people with working backs too.
Sucks to be you, I agree but no one else will do it.
It would have been easier to do in the obvious and inevitable buildup over the last 20y.
And you can choose not to act, but action will eventually be thrust upon you.
More like 80 years… At the very least 50. Nixon was the canary in the coal mine.
things are bigger now, jail is a fucking horrible thing that will leave you jobless, homeless, losing all that currently makes it even moderately worth existing for. its a sort of thing that indicates this game was won long ago and our individual perceptions or choices in the moment have no effect.
when people complain about the lack of effect and say, ‘get together and start reacting’, its ignores the problem that most people do not want to engage.
systemic learned helplessness results in helpless people trapped in various systems of control
the duality of karen: to be hysteric is our only option when we are wronged, but that same hysteria does others wrong as they are what makes up the meat of the machine-structure.
Scream at the retail worker, is that justice?
I’m sorry you’re being downvoted. I agree with you. This is our country, and it’s been established that our government isn’t acting to protect it. Ultimately, if we want to keep it, we need to be ready and willing to make sacrifices for the betterment of the future. I don’t blame people for balking at the immense personal costs this could bring, but what’s the alternative?
No one is coming to save us. We are facing a lot of frightening choices right now, but this means it’s the time for courage.
So you’re going to pay for my trip to the other side of the country and a gun when I get there, right? Or are you just going to continue blaming people who are not at fault?
If your American sorry you are at fault at some level.
People like you in America are one of the main problems, absolutely zero idea how anything works but speaking confidently as if it was simple and obvious.
It’s my fault for not changing something that I can’t change? Alrighty then. Blame me for everything else then too while we’re at it.
What fire will we light? What will we do? Prisoner dilemma is in full effect. There are hundreds of millions of Americans spread over billions of acres of land. This isn’t like getting past the tipping point of protesters in a few major cities, as would happen in Europe. This would require a movement the likes of which the world has never, ever seen in all of recorded history. And we’ve been purposefully divided for generations now, to avoid such a thing. Bread and circuses.
Lemmy is the real place people are huffing their own farts. People imagine, in leftist bubbles like this, that Average Joe down on Main Street USA believes some of the same. They don’t. I’m in a gayborhood full of progressives, exactly where you’d expect to see movements coalesce. Everyone is trying to get through their day, still. Because no matter what any one of them do, 300 million Americans will continue doing their thing. Their rent and mortgage won’t get cancelled because of this. Their kids schools won’t suddenly become free, their groceries won’t suddenly buy themselves.
I really encourage people to study game theory and understand the reasons underneath it that nothing will continue to happen, no matter how many impassioned speeches they type out on a forum. I really encourage people to go speak to non-leftist Americans, who are the majority.
I’m in a capitol city in the US, an today we had about 10 people on an overpass, holding up “fuck trump” signs and big banners that said - nothing about Venezuela or Greenland. They were Jan 6 banners. And not a single mind was changed towards our side. If anything it probably peeled a few more folks off our side, thinking “wow they look pathetic, everyone else has moved on, there’s less than a dozen of them.” We stopped realizing how we’re perceived by the others here.
And let’s talk about that. Jan 6 was the most troubling day our democracy has EVER FACED. I watched it unfold live, thinking, “surely this will be what breaks the maga coalition.” You know what happened? Maga got stronger. They were emboldened. It was normalized for Gen Z, they think this is just politics as usual. And look how they voted in 2024.
Venezuela and Greenland are likely building his strength. Americans are idiots, they love strongmen, even if they’re illusory. Surely that should be obvious to everyone by now. People associate the military’s strength and legacy with Trump whenever he uses them. A lot of folks have hardons thinking about how our forces dropped from the sky and yanked a world leader out of his secure base in just 140 minutes. They think, wow look at us go! We’re so strong, god bless the troops.
Yes, this is more or less what I’ve been telling people for almost a year now.
For all the doom and gloom stories you see about the US, life has changed very little for most of us. Your average American is living their life as usual, focused on one day at a time. As long as we’re not hungry and don’t fear for our physical safety, there’s little that would compel us to risk imprisonment or deportation to oppose this regime. Those in power ensure that life is just comfortable enough for most of us that we don’t dare disrupt the status quo. Even for those that oppose Trump/MAGA, the vast majority won’t do anything more than attend a Saturday afternoon protest once or twice a year and then pat themselves on the back.
Conservatives have been wildly successful for generations at defunding and dismantling public schooling in this country. Our news media has been dumbed down by the likes of Fox News and relentless disinformation campaigns to the point where the news is more entertainment and propaganda than actual reporting. The result of poor schooling and a propagandized news media is that many Americans aren’t able to distinguish between fact and opinion and they’ll believe anything at face value. That’s the abridged version of how we ended up with so many dumbasses that consistently vote against their own interests, if they vote at all.
The Americans you meet on Lemmy and Reddit aren’t the norm. Most Americans are very poorly informed about world events and not curious enough to educate themselves. I would bet most Americans never had a single thought about Greenland or Venezuela until the last year or so. My MAGA neighbors don’t care what happens in your European country and they almost certainly couldn’t find it on a map.
You all need to stop waiting for Americans to rise up and save ourselves. I promise it’s not going to happen. Cut your losses and build up your militaries. Even if we all get lucky and MAGA implodes, our electorate is stupid enough that it’s only a matter of time before we’ll vote in equally terrible leadership.
All those words, just to justify defeatism and despair.
I sure hope there are some Americans with some fight in them. All I’ve heard for the last 50y is how tough and patriotic Americans are. This is the time to prove it.
If you invade Greenland it most certainly will be.
Personally I don’t think it’d lead to any war. If the US empire decides to take Greenland, the EU will almost definitely let it. Almost all European leaders are either weak and spineless or straight up American assets.
I mean, the historical parallel is Hitler assuming he could get away with Poland and he’d get more appeasement but instead suddenly found himself at war with France and Britain. You can get away with alot until suddenly you can’t.
It won’t really matter what the governments do if the people have decided that the line has been crossed. Don’t assume the rest of the world is as cowardly as Americans are.
The thing you are overlooking is that Americans aim to survive this. They want power, money and comfort and they’re willing to step on anyone to get it. But for the rest of the world, this is existential.
Don’t assume the rest of the world is as cowardly as Americans are.
Judging by how the governments of the world are allowing the US government to do whatever it wants to without consequence, it’s not an assumption. And what can private citizens of the world do about it if the US invaded Greenland? Nothing, unless they’re in Greenland, which only has a population of 57,000.
I know right, Europeans are so brave…. They could barely manage a harsh criticism of the Venezuela affair. They got Putin invading their back yard and violating their airspace and they can’t even muster arms.
God if the European war machine is to save us we’re fucked.
You tell yourself whatever you need to.
Edit to add… You may be under the mistaken assumption that the US is not dependent on the rest of the world. See what happens when the world dumps the dollar or unloads all US Treasury bonds. You guys have had a free ride to rack up infinite debt on the deal that you were a stabilizing force. Since you’ve decided to break that deal then you can find out what happens when the world decides to pull out of their side of the bargain.
Let’s see what happens when Canada cuts off oil, potash, critical minerals and hydro. Nationalize pharma patents and sell to the world at 1/100 of your price.
Oh, I’m very aware we’re all dependent on each other under the way things used to be. When the US completely falls, it will take a lot of other countries with it, which is why it’s good to see any kind of effort to cut off US ties now. It’s not nearly harsh enough, however.
Oh wow, I didn’t think of “acting” — thanks for the hot tip.
What’s the point of the 2A if not THIS EXACT THING RIGHT NOW.
Just wanted to look like badasses, like in the movies. Pathetic.
Edit clearly you thought of acting and then dismissed it. I get the sense that too many of you think midterms will save everything. The height of stupidity. The elections are not happening.
So just start shooting people in the government? That’s your idea of “acting”? You don’t see any problems with that?
Are you serious?
In the next year your country may force my country into a world war. Thanks for that.
I’m not going to advocate for violence. At least if you’re going to wear the guns as fashion accessories then do it openly in protest or a general strike.
Sorry you have to be uncomfortable.
I didn’t vote for the fascist asshole. I’ve been at every major protest and a few minor ones.
But I’m responsible unless I shoot up every federal worker I see?
The fuck is the matter with you? How would that even help? It would make things far worse for everyone except for the very fascists we are trying to stop who would use it as an excuse to do more fascism.
I’m sorry you’re in a bad position but your “solutions” are incredibly stupid.
Oh yea those weekend protests every couple of months when did Americans become so spineless. Look at France ,you know the country who Americans make fun of for being weak, to see how to protest.
People are being disappeared to el Salvadoran torture prisons for being the wrong color or just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You first.
Look at deaths when France riots and when the US riots? The cops kill people the citizens kill each other in the US. The two countries can’t be compared.
French citizens protest and still don’t get what they want. What is your point again?
The 2nd amendment wasn’t supposed to be a major part of the American identity. It was considered low class to own weapons in this country for well over a century after its founding. The conservatives and business tycoons are the ones that decided to make guns ubiquitous and a primary part of the American identity. They orchestrated a media campaign in the early 20th century to make us think that the 2nd amendment actually does something for us anymore. The truth that we all know, including you, is that a gun is useless when you have to fight The State. The State will not hesitate to bring in more and bigger guns, kill all resistance, and label the dead as terrorists.
The second amendment is still useful. You use the little guns to obtain the big guns.
Useful for corporations to make money and millions of Americans to die senselessly in gun violence you mean?
Holy strawman, Batman!
Stop using those big words, you are just going to hurt yourself.
Ok. I didn’t and never have supported anything Trump is doing, but I’ll be sure to let them know at the next meeting that invading either Mexico or Canada will be really super bad. I’m sure they’ll listen to me this time.
Yep, it sucks. Sorry, nothing’s gonna happen to stop it. Gonna be a shit show for a looonnnnng time.
…anything before january `27 only offers casus belli for escalation; i pray there doesn’t come a time for escalation but if there does now is not yet that time…
Most people only know what propaganda they have been fed. Here you are trying to divide us just like the wealthy have.
The US controls the world, nothing is going to happen.
We were at the turning point during the revolutionary war. The wealthy won, convinced the colonist to turn on each other and created a government hell bent on death and destruction.
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to make corporations and their shareholders wealthy. The historical purpose was lost long ago.
We need to act for sure, but it is clear you have no idea what to do. Reactionary violence is not going to solve this problem.
I am from the US and you didn’t make me upset at all. In fact, this was a pretty poor showing. Keep it up though. You have so much more to learn.
I will even give you some more. You live in a nation controlled by corporations. Be the shining light to the rest of the world. Take back your rights, eliminate the wealth gap, and create a government that resists corruption instead of embracing it.
Big surprise to hear patronizing condescension from an American. You’ve been huffing your own farts so long you don’t even realize the limits of hard power.
Every empire falls and you dipshits are speed running the collapse. You lasted barely 250 years, actually pretty average, solidly middle of the pack. Maybe you stumble along shitting your pants for another 50y at most, but you’ve destroyed any goodwill or trust with the world, you showed your whole ass, and now the knives are out. It’s all downhill from here. When people in my country are ready to ally with China, you just know you’ve lost the plot.
Get used to being ridiculed a lot more, and get used to actually being held to account for your spending and your actions. It will get worse from here. You’ve been given a free ride, but your exalted position is, at the base, provided to you by agreement with the rest of the world.
You think your shit don’t stink, and you think you don’t need friends. It does and you do. But this wouldn’t be the first time friends and allies have tried to offer you advice, and it sure as shit ain’t the first time you arrogant pricks dismissed it as irrelevant in your high presence.
My country has bled for you, we took in planes of people during 9/11, we send fire fighters during forest fire season, we sell you key resources on the cheap and we geared our economy towards not only an alliance but an assumed friendship. My family even went down to help after Katrina. You self-important pricks have never done anything like this for us, all you’ve done is bullied or ridiculed us.
By the way, I’m absolutely of the opinion that the wealth divide and wealth inequality is the main driver of all of this. But what I’m describing above existed and exists outside of that. And the state that we exist in now just is a state where half of the US supports all of this. I’m capable of acknowledging how the problem arose, and how the division and contempt was created, but it doesn’t mean I’m compelled to ignore it or forgive it. And all of this does not absolve you of the responsibility to stop your country from destroying the world.
Looks like you got nothing but insults. A complete failure.
Please grow up, your not convincing me of anything. Go pray to your corporate overlords.
You don’t even know how to ridicule. You are like a child that just learned that word. You think you are the first person to wish the US to fail!? Do you have any idea the millions who begged for this that are already dead.
I know the US is the most destructive country the world has ever seen. You are just another wanna be propagandist who is doing a shit job. Divide and conquer just like the wealthy have done.
Canada hasn’t done shit for me, nor would I expect it to. You sound like a prideful nationalist to me. No surprise as Canada is also a fascist nation full of fools controlled by the wealthy.
I have already been an advocate my whole life, I have helped more people in a month than you will in your lifetime. I have been involved with local, state, and federal politics. I stood on my state government’s steps demanding rights for people and was successful. I have lobbied my representatives in Washington DC in person.
Please take your high horse and ride it to fuck off land with your garbage takes. I am glad you can at least recognize the root of our problems. Stop grandstanding and figure out what to do. And for the love of god drop the sanctimonious bullshit. It is a very bad look for you.
I don’t care what you’ve done in the past, and you shouldn’t be too proud of it since it’s clearly meant nothing and has been a waste given where we are now.
But sure continue to insult former allies and talk about how America is the greatest and strongest country. You’re a shining example of an American, no doubt about that. You want to blame everything else but yourself, but too bad for you, because your country is dogshit and has done more to propagate wealth inequality globally than anyone else, despite all the work you or anyone else has done. But I guess you can feel high and mighty because you’re not the problem, it’s those evil corporations what did it.
Yes I love my country and wish for it to be a force for good, despite its many problems. And despite the fact that you think you’re a good person, you really don’t give a shit about the suffering you and your country are causing. We are not the same, and you should not presume to know anything about me. In fact I’m fairly sure I know far more about your country than you do about mine, because America is foundationally self-interested to the point of outright ignorance. It’s what allows you to justify and wave away the increasing insanity.
You don’t really care, that is obvious. You can’t see the past and you certainly can’t see the future.
You think it is an insult to tell you the motherfucking truth!? That your government has been a waste and that it is controlled by the same wealthy that control the US. This is reality and you better start opening your eyes.
I already explained the US is the worst. You are so stuck on stupid you can’t stop the propaganda. Everything you do is exactly what the fascists do. Blame everyone else for the problems, in this case the US.
You hate the US for some imaginary reason. At least I have a real reason to hate my country.
You will need years of deprogramming and decades of learning to understand what is really going on. Good luck and may you learn the awful truth.
Nothing you’ve said is new or interesting to me. You’re acting as if oligarchy and class warfare are new concepts. You don’t have any special knowledge, just calm down.
I’m over 5 decades on this earth. I have a family with young kids, career aspirations and retirement plans. Your country has threatened to destroy all of that, and drive me back into the military, relocate my family. Your country poses an existential threat to me and my family, so I don’t give a dry fuck about your abstract bogeymen at this point. I don’t care how we got here, I care about what this threat means to me and my family. And how do you think you’ll be affected? Do you expect to face an occupation by overwhelming military force? Do you expect to face the decision of whether to flee or fight for survival?
You have the luxury of criticizing ideology and politics and oligarchy and high minded concepts. I and my family may face life or death. We are not the same. Your concerns are potential moral dissonance. My concerns are mortal.
Anyway, I’ve realized this post in general and you in particular are doing nothing but enraging me. Don’t get me wrong, I believe I’m justified to be enraged despite what you seem to have convinced yourself. But I want to cheer when I see my former American friends and colleagues start to fight back and have victories. I want to support them in any way I can. I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people that are suffering in their own way. I want to feel vicarious pride when this entire fascist shitparade gets turned back. I’ve seen Americans do great things, and I want to see it again, and I believe there are good people there who deserve to see this too. Maybe not you - maybe you and I will never understand each other. But I want to pull myself back from the brink, and I don’t want people like you to remove all hope from me.
Your rage has only blinded you to the truth and you have become what you despise. There is a way forward and part of that is recognizing where we are. You say you are in your fifties, but you think like I did when I was a teenager.
I am about to have my second grandchild. I am not your enemy nor are my fellow Americans.
If you think anyone but the perpetrators are the problem you have already fallen into their trap. You need to start understanding propaganda and the rhetoric of control.
The only side you should be on is that of human beings. If that puts you at odds with everything else so be it. It is not like being right was ever popular.
What are we supposed to do? Throw our lives away like the Viet Cong? Taking up arms is only going to result in people being killed and labeled as terrorists by the media.
Absolute cowardice.
It’s called survival.
Sorry there are no good people left in the US. When no one is willing to do anything they are all complacent. Same reason there are no good cops.
Man I remember what it was like to be 12 and think things were this simple
I mean, every American voter certainly has more moral culpability than say, any of the millions of Japanese civilians we incinerated in WW2.
polls show that over 80% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats support this President. The average is about 40%. Fucking two in five
(80% + 20%) / 2 = 50%
Wow
I just picked some rough numbers from recent polls. Reps are at like 85% and Independents are at about 30%.
I made a mistake, Dems are at 5%. I’ll fix.
Shits fucked, and you’re right to press us (Americans) on taking action. but that 2/5 figure is not a very true look at our demographics. 1. There’s a huge contingent of non-voting americans; Some because they’re negligent, but plenty of others are children, disenfranchised through bullshit voting laws, non-citizens who contribute greatly but nevertheless can’t vote, or prisoners who have done their time but aren’t allowed to vote anymore. 2. Identifying parties from polls has always been suspect. 80% of people still willing to identify as republican in a poll support trump, but surely that self-selection bias is massively skewing those results. Would those farmers in the leopards ate my face community still say they’re republican in a poll? probably most, but not all who actually did vote republican.
Giving the most pathetically weak men on earth an Airforce during their ongoing and accelerating masculinity crisis was a bad move.
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