Quite good, if you avoid the fact it’s literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn’t break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain…
Teflon itself is inert, but it’s also not needed to avoid that food sticks in a pan. In a good prepared Steel pan food sticks less than in a Teflon pan and is way more resistant to damages. The food sticks in the pan, if you don’t wait to add the food until it’s heated enough, not for other reasons, mistake often don by normal users. Professional cooks never use Teflon pans.
Preparing a Steel pan non-stick
Clean the pan after buy it
Heat the pan on the kitchen
Add some oil and heat somewhat more until it smoke
After this, wait until i’s cold enough and distribute and eliminate the oil film over the whole surface with an kitchen paper.
Done
After this, to fry something, add a little oil and wait until the oil has enough heat (test with the handle of a wood spoon, if it forms little bubbles on it in the oil, the temperature is OK), to add the food. It will never stick this way.
Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.
The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.” PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.
Here’s a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.
There is one important note: you won’t get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don’t have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.
The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.”
I didn’t read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like “there’s nuance that you’re glossing over.”
It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the “nicer” ones.
no it’s more like saying “desalinated water is fine, it’s the brine that’s problematic.”
which is true.
and the same goes for teflon:
the PFAS are toxic, not teflon itself.
glossing over that distinction is disingenuous…
yes, you can’t make one without the other, true, but the end product is not toxic. that’s an important difference you can’t just ignore in order to say teflon is toxic, because a requisite material in (cheap) production is toxic.
because that’s like saying desalinated water is toxic, just because brine is toxic…which is obviously ridiculous.
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
Oxidative stress, characterized by the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) within cells, plays a critical role in the development of cancer by affecting genomic stability and signaling pathways within the cellular microenvironment.
Studies have looked at cancer rates in people living near or working in PFOA-related chemical plants. Some of these studies have suggested an increased risk of testicular cancer and kidney cancer with increased PFOA exposure. Studies have also suggested a possible link to thyroid cancer, but the increases in risk have been small and could have been due to chance. - Source
In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.
Teflon itself is quite good, getting it to stick to places is the problem.
Quite good, if you avoid the fact it’s literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn’t break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain…
Teflon itself is inert, but it’s also not needed to avoid that food sticks in a pan. In a good prepared Steel pan food sticks less than in a Teflon pan and is way more resistant to damages. The food sticks in the pan, if you don’t wait to add the food until it’s heated enough, not for other reasons, mistake often don by normal users. Professional cooks never use Teflon pans.
Preparing a Steel pan non-stick
After this, to fry something, add a little oil and wait until the oil has enough heat (test with the handle of a wood spoon, if it forms little bubbles on it in the oil, the temperature is OK), to add the food. It will never stick this way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEt-fhyCis
Again, that’s from getting it to stick to things. The smaller PTFE chemicals that make it possible to suspend Teflon in water are the problem.
Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.
The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.” PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.
Here’s a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.
https://youtu.be/SC2eSujzrUY
There is one important note: you won’t get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don’t have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.
I didn’t read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like “there’s nuance that you’re glossing over.”
It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the “nicer” ones.
You can’t make teflon without the PFAS though. It’s like saying AIDS is completely different than HIV
no it’s more like saying “desalinated water is fine, it’s the brine that’s problematic.”
which is true.
and the same goes for teflon:
the PFAS are toxic, not teflon itself.
glossing over that distinction is disingenuous…
yes, you can’t make one without the other, true, but the end product is not toxic. that’s an important difference you can’t just ignore in order to say teflon is toxic, because a requisite material in (cheap) production is toxic.
because that’s like saying desalinated water is toxic, just because brine is toxic…which is obviously ridiculous.
It’s also what makes it cheap. Making Teflon other ways is much more expensive.
It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/
Teflon doesn’t cause cancer.
It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/
Oxidative stress and inflammation is cancer?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41698-024-00554-5
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7027163/
https://biologyinsights.com/oxidative-stress-and-cancer-whats-the-connection/
https://biosignaling.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12964-023-01398-5
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6831096/
I mean, it might… but we haven’t shown it does.
teflon itself is proved safe. its production is what’s causing all the problems.
I had a waterproofing spray that said on it “Completely nontoxic ^when ^dry”
Modern teflon, sure.
But there’s a reason its no longer made with PFOA.
In the same way Asbestos is a great material, just one small problem
Asbestos itself is toxic. Teflon is inert.
Asbestos makes for a great cigarette filter material, though.
It is certainly… impactful for your lungs.
We are too weak for the miracle of asbestos.
In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.
Yeah, every factory that does “something” with Teflon probably wants to stick it to things, which are the problematic chemicals, not Teflon itself.
free of charge?
Nah, Dupont invoiced everyone.
monsanto tactics