cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/35800407
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I did the same about 12 ish years ago as it was already becoming a misinformation machine.
Yes! And those wierd psychology experiments they were doing? Gross. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28051930 I left in 2014 passively (stopped daily use) then 2017 stopped any interaction
I deleted my FB in 09 because of the social expectations and toxicity that came from it. Definitely in my top 10 best decisions of my life.
I did the same earlier this year for exactly this reason. Glad to know I’m in such good company.
Once again like others said, drop Facebook! Lots of fake profiles, scam ads and miss information.
I agree but fb is the only place for musicians and show/event notifications, not to mention TONs of non tech savvy small businesses use fb SOLELY for their business info and hours.
Its never going away.
If a business uses Facebook only, I boycott them.
Facebook and Instagram won’t let me view any of it anyways, but a business should have principles.
For real. Like there are braindead-easy services for building a website. There are definitely alternatives.
It’s not just a matter of the company’s capabilities. Sometimes the customers demand it.
Very recently a group of moms I know was upset because their plans were weather dependent and the water park they were heading to only posted the closure on their official website and not on facebook!
Yeah we’re all tech gods and they are dummies har har etc. And fortunately my work lets me work at quiet offices and at home. But I feel for the people who have to serve them, because the public IS filled with dummies, but many of them are just nice people who are trying to do business with you. And of course a large subset are cunts, which makes the ignorant decent people get much worse service.
This just reminded me about reading in an article how at some point Musk said he wanted to make X be the everything app. For many people, Facebook is already much further in that direction. That’s where they get their news, text or call their friends, do their shopping, plan their events, doom scroll, argue with strangers, etc. They might never leave it if TikTok wasn’t so deeply soaked into their neurons.
Needles to say, these people are exactly the type of conservative or recovering conservative people who should be far away from facebook. And I’m not excusing them. But I can at least understand the position folks trying to do business with them are in.
Not as brain dead as an fb page xD there’s tons of businesses solely using fb.
There was this new technology in the 80s that took over in offices. It became so ubiquitous that people bought the machines to have at home, and it found a less-than-optimal use-case as a general communication device. In the 90s, as its popularity boomed, it would be totally reasonable to make the same assessment you just made, that they would never go away. But when was the last time you used a fax machine?
Im sorry, I dont feel like your comparison is relevant. Until something exists thats brain dead easy to use and has a ton of backing like fb, it will be required to have it for any community involvement in a lot of places.
Remember, the internet is scary now and people only want spoonfed services from massive corporations. Anything else is scawwyy.
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Bands In Town works pretty well for all the bands I follow.
Business info can be found anywhere through duckduckgo, google or with a phone call! I never knew that musicians use FB, I guess for promotions ? After leaving FB I used YouTube and bandcamp for new music.
I meant local music and such. There’s no other avenue right now for that. Local city events too
I have a local newspaper subscription that often have articles/info and/or ads for local shows and festivals - one can even go to the library to read it every day for free if paying isn’t in one’s budget (but I like paying for it, it’s a lot of fluff but sometimes they dig up something about how my city is being managed or mismanaged, and they have shone a light on a few desperately needed changes in local government).
I also know most venues in the area that host small bands and can check their website or get their newsletter through email.
There’s also flyers being taped up at the store, library and on maintenance boxes and poles around town for current events and activities (that’s how I found my knitting club!).
There are probably ticket vendors where you can flag certain bands or venues or maybe genres and get an email when something is booked in your area.
Just walking my city, talking to people, looking in shops and venues, and being present outside I get a ton of info about local events. I don’t miss FB. I don’t need a global mega-site to tell me what’s happening outside my own door.
I love papers, but I can name about 1 other person who reads the paper in my town, and theyre dead because they were 98.
NO ONE reads papers anymore. Very few look at flyers in public either, they stare at their phones no matter where they are.
The only way is for a new service to come out that every single person jumps on. That wont happen, so we have fb, and will have fb for 20 more years. Look at Craigslist, no one touches that since marketplace exists, there’s no reason to, and its more dangerous since you cant see a profile of a person (yes, those could be fake but that takes effort)
I should clarify i HATE fb and most social media besides lemmy I will not use. But when EVERYONE is on fb, you cant just deny using it, unless you want to have no friends or involvement.
Well… YOU could read papers. YOU could look up from your phone and notice the flyers.
The possibilities are there. There are other ways to get info about local events than from fb. You don’t have to wait for everyone else to pick up a paper.
Ps. I have plenty of friends and involvement, which most of my current social circle I gathered after moving alone to a new city, without using social media. I lost a lot of acquaintances by leaving fb, but none that I actually miss. My friends are the ones I put effort into keeping in touch with.
People exist offline. We’ve done so for millennia, and still do.
If Miss Information gets married, does she become Mrs Information?
Thats Ms Information
It’s Ms Demeanor now
Lol good one!
I feel like more people should know what’s going on. Facebook has done some scummy stuff in the past. Now Zuck is openly defending his AI grooming children. In and of itself it doesn’t make a lot of sense — what’s the upshot for Meta here? But outside the bubble of logic, it sets kids up to be groomed by real predators. It’s unacceptable.
People say the problem is that all the people they know are on Facebook. Two issues: most of those people would forget you exist if you leave Facebook. Also, you’re the reason they’re there. The second reason is that you are literally the product. You being on Facebook is part of the reason those people are, too, so be the change you want to see in the world.
You use(d) Facebook to stay connected. I use Facebook (with any empty profile) to engage/troll Trump supports. We are not the same.
But seriously, it’s interesting to use it to delve into the right wing zeitgeist.
For example, do not believe the narrative that they are upset about the Epstein list. They’ve been given marching orders to blame it on Biden “because if there was something there why didn’t Biden release it” and “a liberal just withheld the grand jury testimony, so it’s their fault” – don’t bother with the reality or nuance around of any of this, it doesn’t matter to them. They are a cult.
These are the type of people who would dismiss their own child coming forward with moleststion claims and allowing the abuse to continue. I am not exaggerating here. I had one demand physical evidence of Trump raping children; literally demand child porn be distrusted to them before they’ll
be convinced.reshift the goalpost.most of those people would forget you exist if you leave Facebook
This is 100% true. I dropped facebook about 10 years back. If I’m not your “friend” without facebook, then you’re not really my friend. Getting out of that cesspool of drama and ignorance was one of the best moves I’ve made.
what’s the upshot for Meta here?
I’m a firm believer that there is some data point somewhere that indicates this will make them more money somehow, so that’s why they do this.
These companies aren’t run by people; they’re run by data.
Why did it take this long? Facebook and Instagram use signals support of fascism.
Edit: Are you downvoters defending Facebook and Instagram? How it helps enable a fascist regime? Controls the narrative and all that, allows fake news, etc? Nevermind Zucks personal goals.
This is what is so fucked. People will whine and complain that things are getting expensive, that government is not on their side, that billionaires have too much. But it would be too inconvenient to actually quit using their products. Like who can give up facebook and instagram? That would be too hard.
Everyone participating in them is contributing. Zuck just bought 11 homes to make another compound this time in Palo Alto. Make no mistake, you using these services are what paid for that. You are providing money to lobby and change rules. You provide for a platform.
The best time to leave Facebook was years ago. The second best time is now 💪
What’s this about AI talking to kids?
Meta had put guidelines in place allowing romantic and sensual conversations with children, such as calling an 8 year olds body a work of art apparently. (I don’t know much about it, so don’t take my word for it)
My expectations were low, but Jesus christ
Money brings out the worst in people.
And/or it brings out the worst people
He did the same thing on spotify and a little while later all his songs (at least the ones I had in my playlists) were back.
The Almighty dollar always wins doesn’t it Neil lol
How are people still on Facebook, I dropped it the moment my parents made Facebook accounts and that was before all the horrible stuff about the cokpany even came out I think
I still cant understand how people got onto there in the first place. When it came out it was obviously a bad idea.
I only created an account out of social pressure and never understood what others get out of it, I don’t even want to look at my own pics why would I care to look at my friends or any other posts they make for they matter and that was back when Facebook wasn’t just a content feed and actually showed you your friends updates.
Please somebody tell him about mastodon and lemmy.
Friendica is the logical successor to facebook.
So based 🙏
Once again, Neil Young reminds us that he has a gargantuan penis.
Neil Young and Dolly Parton
Role models we need but don’t deserve
Honestly, good on him.
More people should do the same.
The way people turned up their nose at the Fediverse when the Muskening happened to Twitter was heartbreaking. I knew social media was an addiction but when you find out your dealer is an absolute monster how do you not go looking for a new supplier?
But they all discarded Mastodon et al as cringe and teduoust. Like, the way even trans women influencers stayed on Twitter blew my mind. When bluesky got off the ground there was finally some migration, but not enough.
It really showed me how many of the “anti-capitalist” and the “anarchism” and “mutual aid” people were all just talk. The mutual-aid volunteer-based platform exists and you stuck with the fascist because it was easy and you’re too cool for the nerd shit.
The average person is an idiot.
I gotta say, I was among the Twitter Marxist crowd around 3 years ago,and yeah most are just talk, yap and argue, although there were some genuinely making something good, such as a community library or benches for instance. I’d say none of them would switch to the fediverse in any actual capacity, because most just believe in the asthetics and being in the community of like-minded people, instead of actually following the values they allegedly preach, but really don’t even know.
He took a principled stance when he left Spotify too, after they paid hundreds of millions for Joe Rogan’s podcast.
Edit: Disappointingly, it turns out he went back to Spotify after a couple of years.
I’m pretty sure his label put his stuff back on there, despite his wishes. I seen to remember a need article at the time describing his reaction as “disappointed”. Not all of his stuff is back on there, but I guess the stuff he didn’t have full control over is.
Personally, I don’t listen to Joe Rogan, but I do listen to Neil Young. And Spotify is the way I typically listen to anything since they killed the SD Card on most mobile phones. So it hurt me, and I assume it hurts anyone who would want to listen to both and only gets the option of Joe Rogan. So I think having access to media is better, but I’m not the artist and I get taking a moral stance.
I think the aim is to get people to switch to a more ethical streaming service, if they want to stream music. Spotify isn’t the only option.
If you’re into self hosting (or have a friend who is), I’ve found Navidrome (music hosting) and Substeamer app to be great open source alternatives.
Substreamer appears to be free but not open source
Tempo I believe is free and open source
Yo fyi I recently dropped spotify for Tidal & loving it
I tried tidal about two years ago and they had even less of what I listen to than Spotify. But maybe I should check in again and see what’s different, because nothing stays the same for long.
If you don’t want to support an American company, you could also try Qobuz.
Yeah check again. It’s pretty comprehensive now and it has not yet been littered with AI songs. Only issue I have is sometimes songs in my Playlist will no longer be licensed with them and can’t play anymore which is frustrating but rare. Aufio quality is better than Spotify.
Money > all.
I quit 10yrs ago. I am almost 70. If this old fart can do it. So can you.
What is up with these CAPS? Are we copying the typographic INCONTINENCE of Trump?
Quite a normal thing to do no? Way before Trump got elected
typographic incontinence
This term tickled my linguizzle gland.
I have noticed people have changed the way they type since around 2016, when trump became president. The amount of people putting “Sad.” Behind a sentence is mindblowing. He gave so many people severe brainworms.
Oh that is not all. Future generations might be able to map all the brain rot that man has caused.
Using caps for emphasis in places where formatting options don’t exist is a practice as old as the internet. I remember doing it in the usenet days.
It’s a practice at least as old as type itself. It seems the attention Trump garnered, and the highlighting of his stereotypical Boomer typing, have merged the two in some people’s minds.
We’re at a unique crossroad where Gen X and Y grew up with their grandparents mostly refusing to use cell phones and their parents mostly fumbling with them. Now Gen Z and “Alpha” are growing up with grandparents who have mostly been shamed into acceptable text etiquette, and parents who are mostly as tech savvy as the next parent and who were there when the deep magic was written (so to speak).
Mango Mussolini’s narcissism is as pervasive as his parasitism so it’s no wonder the lecherous rapist’s sins against modern digital convention survived along with him. Some spin that as brilliant tactics but I’m not so sure. I’d wager it’s a coincidence he leaned into because it garnered attention.
Most of those now driving online discourse hadn’t had the same exposure to that style of texting prior to the 2016 US Presidential election cycle as preceding generations. So it seems novel to them. It’s history and perspective bring formed in real time.
No. Trump. Or maybe Russia.
I think a lot of that started ironically and then bled over to normal conversations.
I think it’s still mostly used ironically. Though, it’s hard to know anymore. I know it is among my social circles, at least.
He gave so many people severe brainworms.
Luckily not you though. That Ivermectin helped!
With a single word in caps like that, I read it as yelling the word loudly.
The way it’s used here, by a PR conscious intermediary, it comes across more like bitter sarcasm. Like he would not let them release the statement on his behalf unless they yelled Facebook’s name when calling them out. It is similar to when a child tells their sibling they aren’t allowed to do something, but they say it loudly enough so that everybody understands the parent in the next room hears it too.
Edit to clarify: It is an awesome move to call them out, especially to people who blindly just use Meta’s stuff. I read my own comment and worried it would sound like I was calling the Facebook call-out childish itself. It is not. It is a very good thing to fight for a better world, especially when you have the fame or resources that give you a louder voice.
I mean he’s literally a boomer.
To me, it might signal unwillingness to work with Facebook, but still willingness to work with Meta.
