I’ve ranked the top contributing factors for the Democrat’s loss in 2025, and chief among them in my view is Biden and his surrounding Yes-Men completely out of touch with the state of politics and tone-deaf to Biden’s obvious senility.
Selfish fuck should’ve committed to being a one-term president, Period.
Not to me. Biden is the best president of my lifetime. Now to be clear this is comparison to sitting presidents. Not possible people who could be president or pie in the sky this is what a president should be stuff. To me the idea that biden is the problem is nuts. Now congress and particular democratic congressmen not overruling citizens united asap I can get or the democratic party leadership in general. I think the hillary/bernie thing was much bigger deal. At leat for me even though when it came down to it I voted for her because im not an idiot. I suspect anyone who jumps on the last thing to blame when it comes to blaming inaction of the better option as a reason of loss to the worse option.
75% of the electorate said long before the 2024 election said Biden was too old and wanted someone different.
Biden had initially commented (and later admitted to this in a press conference) that he once said he’d be only a transitional one-term President.
Biden disastrously fumbled the June debate and wasted precious weeks while many people blindly followed him despite having worse approval-ratings than Jimmy Carter.
This put the Harris campaign in such a tight spot where 3 weeks were dedicated just to transitional logistics and a mere 12 weeks to run a national campaign against a competitor who’s been taking cheap shots from the sidelines for 4 years straight.
Biden was immensely instrumental in setting Democrats up for failure in 2024. My opinion about his actual Presidency is independent of the reality of national optics, perception, and their campaign quality.
In other words, if Biden had announced ahead of 2024, “Having recovered America from the COVID pandemic and set the economy back on the path of success, narrowly dodging both recession and out of control inflation, I am now going to commit to my one-term transitional Presidency and open up my party’s process to a vibrant, organic, Democratic primaries. May a younger generation take this country forward” — that would’ve been SO much better than the incompetence out of an obsession for legacy we got.
I agree with the first bullet point but does not change my stance on biden. I felt both him and trump were to old but once you have a known good quantity vs a known bad I would rather stick with the good. This pretty much applies to the second bullet point. For the third did you see the debate? He handily won if you listened to what they said. Yeah its easier for trump to be energetic and fast in what he says when he does not have to care about accuracy. Biden having to actually think about what he is saying makes for some an appearance that might look bad if you focus on appearance but content wise he was miles ahead. This is something which again causes someone like me to want to go with him. I mean the appearance folks are pretty much maga anyways except for the folks who are like, other people but of course not me vote on appearance and will sink it. Now granted I would be fine with your end scenario. I was not wild about the change to kamala but once it was done I supported her like I voted for hilary. I think a lot of this thinking is all supposition about how other people feel.
Well put. I didn’t love Biden for a lot of reasons. One of which was not taking the threat of the conservatives spearheaded by the likes of the convicted felon.
But given his one term, and after all the destruction of the felon and the conservative movement…his administration did do an awful lot right and gets nothing but flak from Democrats and liberals anyway.
The calls from this type of thing seems weird and knee jerk and im very suspicious of the source. Going after the closest thing to a republican opponent and it honestly disrupts real discussion around democrat failures. Obama is my second favorite but I have some real problems with him. I would still say the whole hilary/bernie thing which gave us trump one was a bigger problem but again that is old news and there appears to be some who want to complain about everything the democrats do in opposition usually with the line that its not enough or too weak but it feels to me like something that comes out of maga string pullers to discount the dems.
Name the one who did better in their first term and if they would have done better in his situation. I was agog at the stuff he accomplished. No surprise billing was huge, he did not give up and continually pushed for dealing with education debt, the ombudsman bill pushed through that tackled our economy, infrastructure, and the environment was huge. the action on non competes.
I liked obama for look and feel (I mean whitehouse made meade from beehives pollinating the white house organic garden. it was orgasmic.) but man he wasted his first term. I have to give it to biden over obama on how much was done in the first term. Now it does have to be pointed out that biden accomplished what he did because as vp he already learned its useless to bother trying to work with the republicans which is what kept down obamas first term.
The aca is complicated and I am not trying to reduce it but the big effect for the general population is getting rid of pre existing conditions. Under biden we got no surprise billing which is a very significant improvement. Further the keeping medical debt off credit reports is also very significant. This is all outside the ombudsman bill that tackled fixing the trump1 economy, made a push toward lowering the us impact on the climate, and fixed our ailing infrastructure. Then you have what he did for education debt and I think this is a big one as he got a lot of criticism for not getting what he wanted to begin with but to me this really showed his quality. He was like the chumba wumba song getting his stuff knocked down and coming back with something else. He did not give up on it. Then the various agency thing like limiting bank and credit card fees along with getting rid of no competes. Now much has been torn back down by trump but that is not his fault.
Not fully prosecuting Trump and his team made everything he did frosting on a shit sandwich. It doesn’t matter. He failed to rise to the challenge of the moment thinking “Covid & economy” were the issue but the reason they were the issue was because of Trump.
and the reason you have to say fully is because he was prosecuting but unlike trump he did not fire people willy nilly who were not doing exactly what he wanted and worked within the system. I hate being stuck between two groups who want facism who both think their type is a benevolent righteous type.
Your feckless do nothing version of the government is why we’re in this position. People of privilege have the ability to delay and stall things they don’t want til they don’t happen. Stalling on court cases, dragging out development on clean energy, bureaucratic procedural nonsense. The governments ability to get anything done is a huge part of the reason people voted for Trump. He doesn’t get good things done but stuff does happen and change, proving that if the government wanted to they could. Wanting an effective government is not a desire for fascism. I hate moderates who promote this kind of tyranny. Sounds like you are more devoted to order than justice.
I already listed several of the good things done. We are increasingly going in the wrong direction but anything that is not democracy within a framework of law and rights is a non starter for me.
This quote applies when we’re dealing with the systemic wealth and justice gap we have in the US: "Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”
Democracy is pretty great but it’s clear the laws and framework we have don’t support democracy in the idea of what is popular is what we’ll have.
I’ve ranked the top contributing factors for the Democrat’s loss in 2025, and chief among them in my view is Biden and his surrounding Yes-Men completely out of touch with the state of politics and tone-deaf to Biden’s obvious senility.
Selfish fuck should’ve committed to being a one-term president, Period.
Not to me. Biden is the best president of my lifetime. Now to be clear this is comparison to sitting presidents. Not possible people who could be president or pie in the sky this is what a president should be stuff. To me the idea that biden is the problem is nuts. Now congress and particular democratic congressmen not overruling citizens united asap I can get or the democratic party leadership in general. I think the hillary/bernie thing was much bigger deal. At leat for me even though when it came down to it I voted for her because im not an idiot. I suspect anyone who jumps on the last thing to blame when it comes to blaming inaction of the better option as a reason of loss to the worse option.
75% of the electorate said long before the 2024 election said Biden was too old and wanted someone different.
Biden had initially commented (and later admitted to this in a press conference) that he once said he’d be only a transitional one-term President.
Biden disastrously fumbled the June debate and wasted precious weeks while many people blindly followed him despite having worse approval-ratings than Jimmy Carter.
This put the Harris campaign in such a tight spot where 3 weeks were dedicated just to transitional logistics and a mere 12 weeks to run a national campaign against a competitor who’s been taking cheap shots from the sidelines for 4 years straight.
Biden was immensely instrumental in setting Democrats up for failure in 2024. My opinion about his actual Presidency is independent of the reality of national optics, perception, and their campaign quality.
In other words, if Biden had announced ahead of 2024, “Having recovered America from the COVID pandemic and set the economy back on the path of success, narrowly dodging both recession and out of control inflation, I am now going to commit to my one-term transitional Presidency and open up my party’s process to a vibrant, organic, Democratic primaries. May a younger generation take this country forward” — that would’ve been SO much better than the incompetence out of an obsession for legacy we got.
I agree with the first bullet point but does not change my stance on biden. I felt both him and trump were to old but once you have a known good quantity vs a known bad I would rather stick with the good. This pretty much applies to the second bullet point. For the third did you see the debate? He handily won if you listened to what they said. Yeah its easier for trump to be energetic and fast in what he says when he does not have to care about accuracy. Biden having to actually think about what he is saying makes for some an appearance that might look bad if you focus on appearance but content wise he was miles ahead. This is something which again causes someone like me to want to go with him. I mean the appearance folks are pretty much maga anyways except for the folks who are like, other people but of course not me vote on appearance and will sink it. Now granted I would be fine with your end scenario. I was not wild about the change to kamala but once it was done I supported her like I voted for hilary. I think a lot of this thinking is all supposition about how other people feel.
Well put. I didn’t love Biden for a lot of reasons. One of which was not taking the threat of the conservatives spearheaded by the likes of the convicted felon.
But given his one term, and after all the destruction of the felon and the conservative movement…his administration did do an awful lot right and gets nothing but flak from Democrats and liberals anyway.
The calls from this type of thing seems weird and knee jerk and im very suspicious of the source. Going after the closest thing to a republican opponent and it honestly disrupts real discussion around democrat failures. Obama is my second favorite but I have some real problems with him. I would still say the whole hilary/bernie thing which gave us trump one was a bigger problem but again that is old news and there appears to be some who want to complain about everything the democrats do in opposition usually with the line that its not enough or too weak but it feels to me like something that comes out of maga string pullers to discount the dems.
Best president of your lifetime? Are you still a teenager?
Name the one who did better in their first term and if they would have done better in his situation. I was agog at the stuff he accomplished. No surprise billing was huge, he did not give up and continually pushed for dealing with education debt, the ombudsman bill pushed through that tackled our economy, infrastructure, and the environment was huge. the action on non competes.
obama.
I liked obama for look and feel (I mean whitehouse made meade from beehives pollinating the white house organic garden. it was orgasmic.) but man he wasted his first term. I have to give it to biden over obama on how much was done in the first term. Now it does have to be pointed out that biden accomplished what he did because as vp he already learned its useless to bother trying to work with the republicans which is what kept down obamas first term.
Obama got the ACA in his first term. That was an absolutely huge accomplishment. Much bigger than ANYTHING biden accomplished.
The aca is complicated and I am not trying to reduce it but the big effect for the general population is getting rid of pre existing conditions. Under biden we got no surprise billing which is a very significant improvement. Further the keeping medical debt off credit reports is also very significant. This is all outside the ombudsman bill that tackled fixing the trump1 economy, made a push toward lowering the us impact on the climate, and fixed our ailing infrastructure. Then you have what he did for education debt and I think this is a big one as he got a lot of criticism for not getting what he wanted to begin with but to me this really showed his quality. He was like the chumba wumba song getting his stuff knocked down and coming back with something else. He did not give up on it. Then the various agency thing like limiting bank and credit card fees along with getting rid of no competes. Now much has been torn back down by trump but that is not his fault.
Not fully prosecuting Trump and his team made everything he did frosting on a shit sandwich. It doesn’t matter. He failed to rise to the challenge of the moment thinking “Covid & economy” were the issue but the reason they were the issue was because of Trump.
> name the one who did better
Yeah he sucked for sure, I agree with that, but I’m not seeing the answer to their question
and the reason you have to say fully is because he was prosecuting but unlike trump he did not fire people willy nilly who were not doing exactly what he wanted and worked within the system. I hate being stuck between two groups who want facism who both think their type is a benevolent righteous type.
Your feckless do nothing version of the government is why we’re in this position. People of privilege have the ability to delay and stall things they don’t want til they don’t happen. Stalling on court cases, dragging out development on clean energy, bureaucratic procedural nonsense. The governments ability to get anything done is a huge part of the reason people voted for Trump. He doesn’t get good things done but stuff does happen and change, proving that if the government wanted to they could. Wanting an effective government is not a desire for fascism. I hate moderates who promote this kind of tyranny. Sounds like you are more devoted to order than justice.
I already listed several of the good things done. We are increasingly going in the wrong direction but anything that is not democracy within a framework of law and rights is a non starter for me.
This quote applies when we’re dealing with the systemic wealth and justice gap we have in the US: "Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”
Democracy is pretty great but it’s clear the laws and framework we have don’t support democracy in the idea of what is popular is what we’ll have.