We're excited to announce our support of two independent, open source projects: Ladybird, an ambitious project to build a completely independent browser from the ground up, and Omarchy, an opinionated Arch Linux setup for developers.

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  • 1984@lemmy.todayEnglish
    5·
    15 minutes ago

    Cloudflare doesnt want an open web, wtf… More ridiculous fake posturing from big tech.

  • sorter_plainview@lemmy.todayEnglish
    181·
    4 hours ago

    Didn’t Ladybird is going to adopt Swift as their preferred language? I’m slightly confused on why Ladybird over Servo. But I guess people at Cloudflare have more knowledge than me. So I guess there is a good reason.

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
      171·
      3 hours ago

      Perhaps Servo isn’t apolitical enough. 🥹

      Remember, technology is political and our major technology-related problems are political, not technological. We wouldn’t be building alternative browsing engines if Chromium was a community-built project, unaffiliated with an ad company.

      E: FWIW, this comment suggest the initial political Ladybird snafu may have been remediated.

      • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipEnglish
        101·
        3 hours ago

        I think that kinda weird and bad statement from the ladybird lead makes way more sense when you realize that his first language is german.

        German, like other gendered languages, uses the male gender for an unknown person, using a genderless pronoun like “they” in german is a deliberate political stance that would prompt debate and is unusual and, frankly, weird, since the male pronoun is used as a neutral one.

        Given that he apologized and changed it to they later, and no other incident of the sort happened since, I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

        The ladybird contributing guidelines currently read:

        Use gender-neutral pronouns, except when referring to a specific person.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          61·
          3 hours ago

          i take less issue with him using gendered pronouns by default than i do with him being overly dismissive of someone trying to adjust the language to be more inclusive.

          • 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish
            92·
            3 hours ago

            Just remember that from his perspective, you are arguing against grammatical rules that are at the core of his communication experience due to his first language being German.‘so perhaps his initial reaction was confusion because he didn’t understand the angle - he thought he was being inclusive? Maybe?

            I dunno I’m probably playin devil’s advocate without all the information here; I’ve just been resisting making jokes connecting grammatical pedantry to Germany the whole time.

            • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
              21·
              58 minutes ago

              If it’s written in German, I’d agree. In English, no he is just wrong. But perhaps is English just sucks, I don’t know and I don’t care to find out.

            • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipEnglish
              3·
              2 hours ago

              Pretty much yeah, he thought he was already being inclusive, and I don’t blame him for doubling down initially given how awful that github thread was

            • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              1·
              2 hours ago

              It’s actually a very contentious grammatical issue in Germany from what I have been told by a German friend. That there is definitely a contingency of people pushing for more gender neutral language and a large amount of pushback from those who think the entire idea is absurd because of how gendered the language is.

              I can see a bit of both sides of the argument. It’s important to make people feel welcomed and not like being a male is the default for everything. On the other hand, language evolves often very slowly and you can’t just force people to change the language entirely overnight. It does sound like much of the pushback is less political in nature and more grammatical as adding neutral phrases to a gendered language becomes quickly a complex task with complex new words. However, some of the pushback is also political in nature, so it’s hard to gauge whether the Ladybird situation was truly political or more grammatical at it’s core.

        • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          3 hours ago

          You might be right. I’m looking at that as a more general issue of what “no politics” implies. E.g. can we use that to predict how the people working on it would handle the project affiliation in the future. That is, for example are they willing to let it be taken over by a large tech corporation? They’re already using the weakest of licences - BSD. The whole point of us supporting another browsing engine by contributing to it, developing for it, or using it is so that we escape the browser-under-ad-company problem. If make Ladybird the next Chromium competitor and the team gets jobs at say Microsoft, then we’d end up back to square one.

      • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        42·
        3 hours ago

        They doubled down and showed their true colors. AFAIK they never tried to improve the situation after that.