Give it a minute. The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he’s about. His plans for this year were not hidden, even a little bit. They voted him in again anyway just a year ago. Now they’re acting like this was all an unexpected shock.
All we learned from this week is that Americans are capable of remembering not to put their hand on the hot stove a third time, provided their other hand is still on the same hot stove from the second time.
But then puffed up as a genius business man by The Apprentice. Remember that most people the world over are absolutely rock-stupid and will believe whatever’s on TV. “He ripped off everyone he ever did business with and bankrupted every company he ever started” “Whatever, I like the way he says ‘You’re fired!’ He must be great at businessing!”
Our media went to great lengths to hide the bad shit about this pedo and to amplify any and every flaw about Biden/Harris. Even the “left wing media” that the right likes to cry about also did this. And many won’t care until it directly affects themselves, and even then only one that specific topic.
It’s not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than “not Trump”. When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.
Don’t be mistaken, Mandani’s win is not America’s win, it’s NY win. America as a whole is way more stupid and way more evil than that. Hell, even broad democratic voters are worse than that, Bernie lost popular vote on primaries twice afterall.
It’s wasn’t “not Trump”. It was NOT FASCISM. That people STILL don’t understand this, while further entrenching themselves within faulty logic bodes poorly for the future.
America will be remembered as a cautionary tale on not leaning from history…
A win doesn’t mean shit unless it’s backed up by the promises made, and progress is the result. All winning doesn’t is start the clock.
He’s going to need to prove himself. And if he does. And the democrats don’t notice- we will deal with that then. Right now is not time time to suffer illusions.
The difference is being able to tell from one’s imagination, and one’s capability. It’s the same as how people have come to assume ‘potential’ and ‘actual’ mean the same thing. They’re not, and believing that they are is how we ended up here. Because at a the end of this path, lies the mindset that good is the enemy of perfect.
My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
And my point is- we don’t know if he’s good. So far he’s said a lot of good things. That’s it. Hopefully he can make it happen, but a big part of the problem we’re having here is there’s an entire group of disillusioned people that think any untested wet-behind-the-ears candidate is our only hope. This is where idealism is being faulted. Because the question to ask is:
At what point is “not Trump” worse than “not a democrat”?
Both are based on an absence of what we dislike, yet neither are based on any amount of things we do.
Those that voted against the fascist did the right thing. They took the best of the worst situation and ran with it without looking back, where if they did- all they’d see is a bunch of disillusioned idealist’s middle finger.
It was not just “not Trump”, it was “not insane”, and not threatening to tear down democracy and destroy healthcare and the economy. It was business as usual over sociopathy.
The choice should have been clear. But too many Americans are sociopaths, and chose to really stick it to the minorities until they die. Americans voted for Trump not despite he is a sociopath, but because of it. Americans want revenge for their lousy lives more than they want to improve things for everybody.
The Dems won other places than New York.
It was “not Trump, status quo.” Nobody but the rich liked the status quo, but anybody who’s not an idiot knew it was MUCH, MUCH BETTER than…well, what we have now.
When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up.
I’d like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there’s more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.
Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly “offer an alternative like Mamdani”. They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only “offered” thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.
I don’t see how it downplays at all how good a candidate he was, if anything it shows how good he must have been to overcome his own party’s elite trying to stop him. My point is that they might have stopped him, if it weren’t for the people who turned out in the primary. Just think what quality candidates we could get if people would support them in the primaries, instead of waiting until the general and seeing who other people chose in the primary and then being disappointed. My point is we need to turn out for the primaries. When potential candidates see voters supporting progressive candidates more will decide to run because they’ll know they have a chance.
And in general they continue to bitch regardless even if they get what they want. They’ll turn on their own politicians in an instant and dislike it even when they get what they were asking for- ie. Hochul or whomever to endorse.
Just shows how dumb Americans really are. And comparing a presidential election to a material one. And the most votes cast is also BS they’re going by numbers and I assume in 2025 the population is higher then in 1989. But 34% voter turnout is good for a municipal election but not the barn burner your describing. And still a lot of people not voting.
And the progressives seem to only care to vote when Trump is in power. The second election after Trump they won’t show up again as they don’t care.
Give it a minute. The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he’s about. His plans for this year were not hidden, even a little bit. They voted him in again anyway just a year ago. Now they’re acting like this was all an unexpected shock.
All we learned from this week is that Americans are capable of remembering not to put their hand on the hot stove a third time, provided their other hand is still on the same hot stove from the second time.
Far longer than that.
He’s been known publicly as a sack of shit since at least the '90s.
But then puffed up as a genius business man by The Apprentice. Remember that most people the world over are absolutely rock-stupid and will believe whatever’s on TV. “He ripped off everyone he ever did business with and bankrupted every company he ever started” “Whatever, I like the way he says ‘You’re fired!’ He must be great at businessing!”
Our media went to great lengths to hide the bad shit about this pedo and to amplify any and every flaw about Biden/Harris. Even the “left wing media” that the right likes to cry about also did this. And many won’t care until it directly affects themselves, and even then only one that specific topic.
It’s not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than “not Trump”. When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.
Don’t be mistaken, Mandani’s win is not America’s win, it’s NY win. America as a whole is way more stupid and way more evil than that. Hell, even broad democratic voters are worse than that, Bernie lost popular vote on primaries twice afterall.
It’s wasn’t “not Trump”. It was NOT FASCISM. That people STILL don’t understand this, while further entrenching themselves within faulty logic bodes poorly for the future.
America will be remembered as a cautionary tale on not leaning from history…
Eventually the rest of the world will build a wall around US.
What will the Democratic leadership learn from Mamdani’s win?
They’ve only taken away “charismatic” candidate
A win doesn’t mean shit unless it’s backed up by the promises made, and progress is the result. All winning doesn’t is start the clock.
He’s going to need to prove himself. And if he does. And the democrats don’t notice- we will deal with that then. Right now is not time time to suffer illusions.
As long as we’re paying attention to those who can imagine a different future, then we’re at the same table.
The difference is being able to tell from one’s imagination, and one’s capability. It’s the same as how people have come to assume ‘potential’ and ‘actual’ mean the same thing. They’re not, and believing that they are is how we ended up here. Because at a the end of this path, lies the mindset that good is the enemy of perfect.
My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
And my point is- we don’t know if he’s good. So far he’s said a lot of good things. That’s it. Hopefully he can make it happen, but a big part of the problem we’re having here is there’s an entire group of disillusioned people that think any untested wet-behind-the-ears candidate is our only hope. This is where idealism is being faulted. Because the question to ask is:
At what point is “not Trump” worse than “not a democrat”?
Both are based on an absence of what we dislike, yet neither are based on any amount of things we do.
Those that voted against the fascist did the right thing. They took the best of the worst situation and ran with it without looking back, where if they did- all they’d see is a bunch of disillusioned idealist’s middle finger.
It was not just “not Trump”, it was “not insane”, and not threatening to tear down democracy and destroy healthcare and the economy. It was business as usual over sociopathy.
The choice should have been clear. But too many Americans are sociopaths, and chose to really stick it to the minorities until they die. Americans voted for Trump not despite he is a sociopath, but because of it. Americans want revenge for their lousy lives more than they want to improve things for everybody.
The Dems won other places than New York.
It was “not Trump, status quo.” Nobody but the rich liked the status quo, but anybody who’s not an idiot knew it was MUCH, MUCH BETTER than…well, what we have now.
I’d like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there’s more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.
Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly “offer an alternative like Mamdani”. They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only “offered” thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.
You’re telling me people have to get off their ass and not just bitch online? Cmon now… /s
I think that downplays how good of a candidate Mamdani was and how differently he ran his campaign. It also blinds us to new lessons.
I don’t see how it downplays at all how good a candidate he was, if anything it shows how good he must have been to overcome his own party’s elite trying to stop him. My point is that they might have stopped him, if it weren’t for the people who turned out in the primary. Just think what quality candidates we could get if people would support them in the primaries, instead of waiting until the general and seeing who other people chose in the primary and then being disappointed. My point is we need to turn out for the primaries. When potential candidates see voters supporting progressive candidates more will decide to run because they’ll know they have a chance.
And that is the real problem progressive voters are not reliable as a block. So nobody caters to them.
And in general they continue to bitch regardless even if they get what they want. They’ll turn on their own politicians in an instant and dislike it even when they get what they were asking for- ie. Hochul or whomever to endorse.
Just shows how dumb Americans really are. And comparing a presidential election to a material one. And the most votes cast is also BS they’re going by numbers and I assume in 2025 the population is higher then in 1989. But 34% voter turnout is good for a municipal election but not the barn burner your describing. And still a lot of people not voting. And the progressives seem to only care to vote when Trump is in power. The second election after Trump they won’t show up again as they don’t care.