What made everybody move from a corporate social media platform to another corporate social media platform instead of the fediverse?

After all, the Fediverse and Activitypub is much more mature than Bluesky and the copycat AT protocol or Threads and … whatever they use.

  • OldWoodFrame@lemm.eeEnglish
    4·
    3 months ago

    Threads was because if you had an Instagram account it ported over.

    Bluesky was the Twitter clone made by the old Twitter CEO.

    Most people didn’t have a problem with Twitter being a corporation, they had a problem with the new owner of the corporation making the experience terrible with his new changes.

  • noodlejetski@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    3 months ago
    1. marketing
    2. not having to pick the instance when registering
    3. people who have experienced Mastodon’s hermetic culture discouraging others from joining
    4. algorithms helping discover people and content to follow
    5. marketing

    and I’m saying that as a firm Mastodon user and believer.

    • br3d@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      2 and 3 are massive. I’m on Mastodon, but am having a much better time on Bluesky. Mastodon is full of gatekeeping and policing and people complaining - Bluesky is just fun and interesting, like Twitter 12 years ago

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 months ago

        Who are these people who actually FIND users go follow on either service???

        I have Bluesky. I have Mastodon. I log into each every few months, realize nothing has changed, and there is nobody to follow.

        Then I don’t use either, until I wonder a few months later “heeeey, I wonder if people are on these services yet…”

        Still no.

        • EleventhHour@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          Mastodon revolves around following topics and hashtags, not individuals. I learned that early on, and am having a much better experience.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            3 months ago

            Well then it will never be useful for me. I want to follow PEOPLE. I want people to follow me for the random shit I say.

            Then they retweet the random shit, and now a whole NEW group of people can wonder what’s wrong with me.

            • jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.netEnglish
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              3 months ago

              I follow hashtags I like, then see who the people are who use those tags, then follow those people.

              I find that I discover people that way I would not have found otherwise.

              It’s worked well for me so far. I wasn’t a twitter person before though, so I don’t know if I have the experience you did for comparison.

              • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                See, I already know who I want to follow. I want to follow Nintendo. I want to follow Game Grumps. I want to follow my local pro wrestling indy. I want to follow MXRPlays.

                But none of them are on the fediverse. Although, Andy Richter is on BlueSky. So that’s something…I guess…

        • Glasgow@lemmy.mlEnglish
          0·
          3 months ago

          Use lists on bsky to find people.

          And just gained a million people, biggest spike yet. So should be a bit more active.

  • Daxtron2@startrek.websiteEnglish
    2·
    3 months ago

    Is it really that surprising that large companies with lots of money can advertise better than user run instances of open source software?

  • Maxnmy's@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    I’ll speak about my experience. Bluesky feels like an upgrade to Twitter. There are many algorithmic feeds to choose from, and it’s easy to discover people to follow. Mastodon, on the other hand, is a straight downgrade from Bluesky because it is lacking in those features.

    I imagine a lot of people leaving Twitter feel similarly. They don’t care much about privacy or federation. Bluesky just works, and that’s what matters to them.

  • EnderMB@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    Several reasons:

    • Mastodon is REALLY unfriendly from a UX perspective. To many, federation is a solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist for them. In their mind, the early model of federation is like email, a problem that was “solved” years ago by having one corporate product that was much better than others (Gmail).
    • Reiterating, why should people care about the fediverse?
    • The fediverse is lacking the user numbers, and those that do post don’t really interact with others. Spend some time with the newhere tag and you’ll see a lot of people that make the occasional post, send a lot of replies, and end up leaving because that engagement ends up with maybe 2 followers. It’s rather clique-y.
    • Some fediverse sites (e.g. Lemmy) have bad reputations, and Mastodon partly suffers from this. Outside of tech, where people argue with each other all the time anyway, there isn’t really anything worthwhile being posted.

    Generally speaking, how is Mastodon any better than Bluesky? How is Lemmy any better than Reddit? If you can’t answer that in a way the average person gives a fuck about, what’s the argument for using them?

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    because mastodon because dismissed twitter users concerns and thoughts the first exodus and bluesky implemented them in a way that’s closer to twitter.

  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    Instance picking can be overwhelming. Making people just not even try it.

    I do think a big challenge for the fediverse is how to ease that. And make it like e-mail where @whocares is not that important and it’s easy to actually have a custom domain/instance.

    And, of course, to achieve this instance admins should be really be responsible with defederations and bans. And only use it as last resort, probably only because of legal reasons. Not because “I don’t like that instance admins main political thesis”. Probably that kind of blocks are better to be left to the user.

  • woelkchen@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    0·
    3 months ago

    If Brazilian fediverse is anything like English fediverse, its community was probably tied up in discussions who to deferderate from next and vegan cat food instead of promoting Mastodon.

    • Kierunkowy74@piefed.social
      1·
      2 months ago

      The largest Brazilian Mastodon instance, Ursalzona proudly displays hammer and sickle in its favicon and a logo of its admin account.

      its community was probably tied up in discussions who to deferderate from next

      Seeing Ursalzona admin’s pinned thread - you nailed it.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    0·
    3 months ago

    Valid question, but Americans in particular are easily swayed by the fact that the corporate ownership is listed as a “Public Benefit Corporation.” Bluesky is a PBC and for most people that’s enough “proof” that they will “be for the public good.”

    In that it is set up to “benefit the public good” people just… buy into that, even if the company isn’t actually benefitting the public good.

    Look at how long it took for people to wise up that the Susan G. Komen foundation was spending most of its money on their CEOs and ads and very little on actually helping people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_G._Komen_for_the_Cure#Pinkwashing

    For the general public, Open Source generally means “difficult to set up and use with bad user interface.”

    And yes, the whole self-hosting thing with numerous servers is confusing to people who have never had to step outside of the corporate-dominated internet.

    All that is self-evident based on the original reddit exodus to here on Lemmy. The initial exodus lead to tons of people complaining about lack of features on Lemmy with very few people actually stepping up to contribute to the code-base to bring those features to light. They’re just far too used to private company doing all that “for free” (*cough for all your private data cough) and struggle to understand how the different way it is set up means you don’t get all the fancy features from the get-go.

    So people saw an option with corporate sponsorship and money behind it, and they leap to that. Also I’m sure Bluesky is investing in advertising their product, which is competing with zero advertising dollars spend on the no-corporate fediverse.