Dick Durbin is the minority whip. There is no chance that the whip votes against the wishes of the senate minority leader. Despite Schumer’s no vote, he supported the capitulation.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but could you quote the proof you’re referring to from the article? The two paragraphs I think you’re referring to are (emphasis mine):
Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.
The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down. Only after that did Schumer go public with his proposal to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA subsidies, along with a bipartisan commission to figure out a long-term solution.
Being “widely assumed” isn’t really solid proof, and having a proposal with an exchange of an extension isn’t capitulation on Schumer’s part. If anything, this whole thing shows Schumer’s incompetence to be able to lead the democrats, but this doesn’t seem supported or orchestrated on his part.
“Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said ‘I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no.’ Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold?” Kilmeade asked.
“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded.
yes, these are the facts the other article is missing.
Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.
Reread the passage again, the part that was widely asusmed was that the flip votes were operating on thete own. The sentence about Schumers approval was started with the phrase ‘In fact’ because that is what’s being reported as the truth. ‘Widely assumed’ is not even the same sentence with the allegations on Chuck so Im having trouble interpreting your comment in good faith.
I really don’t care to defend Schumer, but posting this article as substantiated proof of him supporting Democrats capitulation is not really convincing. The article doesn’t mention what changed between it being widely assumed and it being a fact? Just starting a sentence with “in fact” doesn’t make it true. There are many other, more recent sources with his quotes saying he doesn’t approve of their actions.
It’s equally possible that Schumer has no control of the situation and the Senators who are voting for reopening the government know Schumer is spineless, and will only craft a strongly worded letter condemning their actions. The fact he went public with a proposal after reports of senators defecting isn’t proof he is complicit in their capitulation, just that he was unable to convince all the Democratic Senators that his plan was a good plan they should remain consistent about. Is Schumer responsible as the minority leader of the senate and ultimately to take the blame for the Democrats fracturing over this; yes. But to say he is secretly supporting the capitulation as if he’s Palpatine playing both sides is not really substantiated and frankly giving him too much credit.
What i’m saying is the prospect.org article is speculation of the events that happened behind closed doors. It jumps to conclusions to make a point of Schumers ineptitude by implying he orchestrated and supported the no votes, but doesn’t provides any source for those claims. Other articles being reported on today outline plenty of reasons Schumer is unfit to lead without making things up. For example:
Joseph Geevarghese, executive director of Our Revolution, said in a statement. "If he secretly backed this surrender and voted ‘no’ to save face, he’s a liar. If he couldn’t keep his caucus in line, he’s inept. Either way, he’s proven incapable of leading the fight to prevent health care premiums from skyrocketing for millions of Americans. The country can’t afford his failed leadership any longer.”
Since last November, his entire office/campaign has been heavy on optics throughout the state, all with a heavy lean towards business as usual. Only recently (late October) did he write about “challenging trump’s reckless tariff policies”, which was little more than a statement of fact than any actual coherent plan to solve anything. Most shockingly, this communique had ZERO mention about DOGE, and the thousands out of work right now in his state, let alone the government shutdown and the hungry poor people out there right now. Or any of the other politically relevant horrors we have going right now. It was easily one of the best written, carefully crafted, barely educational, worthless, tone-deaf, rage-inducing pieces of literature to hit my inbox, and includes a bottomless cornucopia of spam mail.
There’s an old saying in politics: “never waste a good crisis.” Well, this is a big one, and opportunities to be a hero with accolades and job security for life can be had at minimal effort. I can only conclude that the man’s brain is located somewhere in the vicinity of his spine, both of which went missing back in 2024.
While I’m no longer a Virginian, I emplore those of you who are to vote this trash out.
I left a voicemail demanding his resignation. Wtf else can we do? He’s not up for reelection until 2030. These fuckers, as usual, can betray us with no repercussions. And they know it.
Same, but email instead. I said that he must be fucking braindead to have done this, and I explained how every supposed “win” of this deal was worth nothing and that he should’ve been suing on our behalf instead. I also told him that all he bought was up to 7 weeks of relief and the ability for people to fly home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, just in time to spread a flu/covid epidemic at the exact time he torched people’s access to healthcare.
Between the DNC leadership overhaul, how united Dems in Congress were over this, and then the huge election wins last week, there are just no words for how goddamn disappointed I am in these greasy, traitorous cowards.
Thats just an oppurtunity to build up a base of support and rally atound someone who can beat him in a primary. 4 years is a long time yo build a coalition. Take advantage of it
Of those eight seats, only two are up in 2026, and those two Senators (Durbin, Shaheen) are not running for reelection. The others aren’t up until 2028 or 2030. That’s how they do these things. No one up in 2026 would have voted for it.
“Senator Chuck Schumer, your leader in the Senate, said ‘I cannot support a continuing resolution that fails to address health care, I am voting no.’ Did you do this outside leadership, and was there a big push for you not to join the others and break the 60 threshold?” Kilmeade asked.
“No, we kept leadership informed throughout,” Shaheen responded.
It requires a modicum of critical thinking to understand this situation and the constant betrayal by Dems over the last 50 years. I know this is beyond most Americans’ capabilities, but keep trying.
Just like the revolution, the fascist insurrection is not televised nor is it plainly documented for convenient reference.
Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.
It seems either Leader Chuck Schumer conspired against the party at large, or they did have the support of Democrats.
A professor who worked at the Boston Globe for 20 years before opening his own publication in 1990. Hes been a independent journalist since before most of Lemmy was born. Chuck knew and supported it. Or are you gonna ignore credible reporting that you don’t like? We got a party for people like that in America.
Here are the POS all lined up in a row.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-who-voted-to-end-shutdown-b2861979.html
Dick Durbin is the minority whip. There is no chance that the whip votes against the wishes of the senate minority leader. Despite Schumer’s no vote, he supported the capitulation.
Again, unsubstantiated opinion.
Shaheen just came out and said that Schumer knew about the deal. In other words he approved it.
https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/
Poof, substantiation
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but could you quote the proof you’re referring to from the article? The two paragraphs I think you’re referring to are (emphasis mine):
Being “widely assumed” isn’t really solid proof, and having a proposal with an exchange of an extension isn’t capitulation on Schumer’s part. If anything, this whole thing shows Schumer’s incompetence to be able to lead the democrats, but this doesn’t seem supported or orchestrated on his part.
From TNR: Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along
yes, these are the facts the other article is missing.
Reread the passage again, the part that was widely asusmed was that the flip votes were operating on thete own. The sentence about Schumers approval was started with the phrase ‘In fact’ because that is what’s being reported as the truth. ‘Widely assumed’ is not even the same sentence with the allegations on Chuck so Im having trouble interpreting your comment in good faith.
I really don’t care to defend Schumer, but posting this article as substantiated proof of him supporting Democrats capitulation is not really convincing. The article doesn’t mention what changed between it being widely assumed and it being a fact? Just starting a sentence with “in fact” doesn’t make it true. There are many other, more recent sources with his quotes saying he doesn’t approve of their actions.
It’s equally possible that Schumer has no control of the situation and the Senators who are voting for reopening the government know Schumer is spineless, and will only craft a strongly worded letter condemning their actions. The fact he went public with a proposal after reports of senators defecting isn’t proof he is complicit in their capitulation, just that he was unable to convince all the Democratic Senators that his plan was a good plan they should remain consistent about. Is Schumer responsible as the minority leader of the senate and ultimately to take the blame for the Democrats fracturing over this; yes. But to say he is secretly supporting the capitulation as if he’s Palpatine playing both sides is not really substantiated and frankly giving him too much credit.
Then stop doing it. You’re making yourself look foolish to put it as charitably as possible.
What i’m saying is the prospect.org article is speculation of the events that happened behind closed doors. It jumps to conclusions to make a point of Schumers ineptitude by implying he orchestrated and supported the no votes, but doesn’t provides any source for those claims. Other articles being reported on today outline plenty of reasons Schumer is unfit to lead without making things up. For example:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/10/progressives-call-for-schumers-resignation-after-shutdown-vote/87195871007/
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/schumer-is-no-longer-effective-dems-outraged-over-shutdown-deal-00644253
Is this Schumer’s fediverse alt?
I can only assume you don’t know what the whips job is.
I’m on Tim Kaine’s mailing list.
Since last November, his entire office/campaign has been heavy on optics throughout the state, all with a heavy lean towards business as usual. Only recently (late October) did he write about “challenging trump’s reckless tariff policies”, which was little more than a statement of fact than any actual coherent plan to solve anything. Most shockingly, this communique had ZERO mention about DOGE, and the thousands out of work right now in his state, let alone the government shutdown and the hungry poor people out there right now. Or any of the other politically relevant horrors we have going right now. It was easily one of the best written, carefully crafted, barely educational, worthless, tone-deaf, rage-inducing pieces of literature to hit my inbox, and includes a bottomless cornucopia of spam mail.
There’s an old saying in politics: “never waste a good crisis.” Well, this is a big one, and opportunities to be a hero with accolades and job security for life can be had at minimal effort. I can only conclude that the man’s brain is located somewhere in the vicinity of his spine, both of which went missing back in 2024.
While I’m no longer a Virginian, I emplore those of you who are to vote this trash out.
I left a voicemail demanding his resignation. Wtf else can we do? He’s not up for reelection until 2030. These fuckers, as usual, can betray us with no repercussions. And they know it.
Same, but email instead. I said that he must be fucking braindead to have done this, and I explained how every supposed “win” of this deal was worth nothing and that he should’ve been suing on our behalf instead. I also told him that all he bought was up to 7 weeks of relief and the ability for people to fly home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, just in time to spread a flu/covid epidemic at the exact time he torched people’s access to healthcare.
Between the DNC leadership overhaul, how united Dems in Congress were over this, and then the huge election wins last week, there are just no words for how goddamn disappointed I am in these greasy, traitorous cowards.
Thats just an oppurtunity to build up a base of support and rally atound someone who can beat him in a primary. 4 years is a long time yo build a coalition. Take advantage of it
Of those eight seats, only two are up in 2026, and those two Senators (Durbin, Shaheen) are not running for reelection. The others aren’t up until 2028 or 2030. That’s how they do these things. No one up in 2026 would have voted for it.
In all fairness, you know they had the full support of the Democratic Party.
That is not true. You’ll have to prove your point.
From TNR: Democrat Who Caved on Shutdown Says Chuck Schumer Knew All Along
The Capitulation 8 aren’t up for re-election. They were chosen, because they have the least risk of losing their positions in the next election.
Do you have texts or them saying this in a snapchat?
It requires a modicum of critical thinking to understand this situation and the constant betrayal by Dems over the last 50 years. I know this is beyond most Americans’ capabilities, but keep trying.
Just like the revolution, the fascist insurrection is not televised nor is it plainly documented for convenient reference.
https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/
It seems either Leader Chuck Schumer conspired against the party at large, or they did have the support of Democrats.
Who tf is that source?
A professor who worked at the Boston Globe for 20 years before opening his own publication in 1990. Hes been a independent journalist since before most of Lemmy was born. Chuck knew and supported it. Or are you gonna ignore credible reporting that you don’t like? We got a party for people like that in America.
I am not aware of him or his publication. The Heritage Foundation has been around a long time. Does he have a wikipedia page?
Yes, you’re free to search him.
What’s his name?
You know it’s true. They aren’t going to go against the party on this.
I do not know that it’s true, you’re going to have to convince me.
Come on bro you know it’s true!