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- hackernews
Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn’t even work as a national ID.
But that’s what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
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I’m sure none of these assholes had to stand in line at the DMV with a stack of papers to get their REAL ID. Eat a bag of dicks. And of course this is coming from Alabama, can we just get rid of the fucking south already? I’m so done, they can have their BIble land or whatever, just leave the rest of us in peace.
In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
That’s not how the government sold Real ID to us when they created it. The whole point of Real ID was to provide an alternate way to confirm your citizenship and/or identity without requiring you to carrying your passport on you all the time.
To be fair, REAL ID was never meant to give citizenship. Its purpose is identity and lawful presence. I have friends here on visas. They’re obviously not citizens, but also they’re here legally and have REAL IDs.
For this same reason, people trying to say proof of citizenship to vote is no big deal because everyone has a REAL ID is full of shit in multiple ways.
* proof of citizenship or lawful presence. Which is supposed to be indicated on the card. Which is supposed to be validated by DHS.
One of the ways REAL ID doesn’t matter for voting is that putting a ballot in a box is only the very first step in counting a vote, and there are multiple checks whether it’s valid and from person that is allowed to vote afterwards. After several centuries of practice paper voting is pretty thoroughly stress tested. Even if most people have no idea how.
Where does it show citizenship? I think the part you quoted may mean “proof of citizenship or [other means of] lawful presence”
I have been unable to get a real id because when I was 8 my parents changed my name. Then when I lived in Maryland there refused to issue an ID using my now legal name. When I moved back to my home state of New Mexico my id used my birth name as it was on my Maryland id. Now I have half my stuff using my birth name, half using my legal name, cannot get a real id.
This year I plan to change my legal name back to my birth name… or maybe something totally different.
Why am I not surprised that the government is inept.
Anything to hurt immigrants under trump.
Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo was ahead of it’s time. This segment always scared me and we’re almost there: https://tube.doortofreedom.org/w/68CKXrEhwRFCmCunHmktys?start=1h22m4s
So, what can be used to confirm citizenship, DHS?
inb4 “nothing”
I think this is the only one the likes of Stephen Miller want to accept.
Doesn’t matter if your family has been here for generations…
Skin color. Sexual orientation. Gender. Mental health. Loyalty to an orange pedophile. Those are the only real way to know your citizenship status.
Let’s not forget political affiliation for tie breakers!
Melanin levels mostly
A proven record of donations to Trump.
Fascists will always contrive some arbitrary rationalization to do whatever the fuck they want to do with you. They have no allegiance to truth, logic or consistency.
Why did I go through this bullshit? Enough will never be enough in the bipartisan police state.
You went through the bullshit to give the federal government a photograph for their facial recognition database associated with high quality identifying information.
A national ID card for surveillance purposes was ALWAYS the objective.
So is a passport.
Birth certificate? Straight to jail
Still don’t have my REAL ID, I have my passport. Zero reason to get one until I’m forced to in 2028 when I renew.
Personally at this point I think passports should be free for every US Citizen to get, or at least the card one.
Yeah pretty sure the real point they’re saying this now is so that ICE can black bag people with a real ID not carrying their passport. Only a matter of time until that can’t be verified too.
Oh for sure, no doubt about that. Just like the post office date marking on mail being changed. It’s all bullshit the Trump administration is trying to get away with.
Verified in the ditch across the road.
I didn’t think anyone is forced to get real id. Are they? I though it was always optional.
There was a pretty active intimidation campaign in NY for a few years. No RealID? You can’t travel, can’t cross the border (Canada) can’t fly etc etc.
For years I thought it was DHS saying you couldn’t get on a plane without one. Also they are trying to say they will charge you money for an alternative ID soon. Pretty stupid.
At least in Massachusetts, they’ve been pushing back making it mandatory since it rolled out. Every time it gets close to the deadline for when it’s supposed to go into effect, they push it back another couple of years.
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“just one more flaming hoop, we promise!”
At least as long as there’s flaming hoops, they’re still expecting people to be able to jump.
It doesn’t work like that.
We’re not supposed to be able to jump through the flaming hoops.
They’re too far apart, too narrow, they keep moving, and we’re forced to wear a blindfold.
We’re supposed to get burnt.
Meanwhile, “the right kind of people” don’t have to jump through the hoops, and laugh while watching us burn, without realising that the definition of “right kind of people” keeps getting more and more narrow, and that soon it might be them getting broiled on the hoops.
