That’s a funny way to say: associated herself strongly with the genocide president and said how we were going to have the most lethal military in the world.
Absolutely this. Were the candidates ideal? No. Was the system ideal? Heck no. But they are blaming the system and quality of candidates for a choice they chose to make. They can swallow all of trump’s dick.
But they are blaming the system and quality of candidates for a choice they chose to make.
The DNC openly rigged primaries against Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton, then had a court declare they were within their legal right to do so.
America is failing. There’s populist fervor to see that change. Bernie offered a left-wing solution that would negatively impact the interests of the capitalist ruling class who control both political parties. The Democrats made sure that the nascent left-wing movement would die, as is their primary function within the American Empire.
But the populist fervor didn’t die, because the lives of Americans are still getting worse. The Democrats were fundamentally unable to seize upon that fervor, but Trump wasn’t. And unlike left-wing populism, right-wing populism doesn’t meaningfully threaten capitalism, so it was allowed to happen.
If you can understand all of that and claim people still shouldn’t blame “the system”, then your cognitive dissonance is showing.
I acknowledged the system was not ideal. If you can’t understand the threat trump representa to the country’s interest, even 9 years in, and especially if you chose to sit it out, or voted for trump in 2024, your cognitive dissonance is showing. Enjoy the next few years. Fix the system? Sure. But own your choice first, is all I’m saying.
Why would I possibly care about protecting a genocidal empire’s interests?
In 2016, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.
In 2020, I voted for Joe Biden. I massively regretted allowing their “lesser evil” manipulation to con me into signing my name to endorse the modern-day holocaust.
In 2024, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.
And before you come back with the typical liberal “but she was at a dinner table with Putin!”, idgaf when you’re endorsing politicians openly owned by Netanyahu. Both war criminals, but only one recognized genocidaire. You liberals love that “lesser evil” game, don’t you?
The problem wasn’t Harris. Was the repeated cycle of “vote for us or they will come”. It was the same with Biden and Hillary. Had the Dems go with a valid candidate and not a finger appointed glass of temperate water that only was more of the same shit, Trump wouldn’t have stand a chance.
Every time the “vote for us or else” threat is used it loses strength, because the “vote for us” part is only “we keep the things just as they are now”. And the way to stop Trump and people like Trump is changing things so massively that they can’t retaliate with some bullshit message. Because every time someone like Trump or a little less deranged takes power steers the politic table to the right as much as possible. And the solution can’t be “let’s not move the table”. MOVE THE FUCKING TABLE TO THE LEFT! The right and far right is gonna insult you for being in power, no matter what you do. So go full throttle and do things for the people and go as far as you can.
“I agree that liberals paved way to the rise of fascism, but the solution was to vote for them anyway. Then I could’ve expressed half-hearted dismay at all the dead brown children on my feed, but maintained comfort in knowing that it ultimately would not effect me.”
Let’s say Harris had won. Who’ll be next? An even softer Democrat? Against Trump or JD Vance or Miller or …? It’s either change things or let the fascist change them.
No, not voting is not voting, and the democrats in power are just polite fascists.
You will never have me vote in the affirmative for a genocide, and plenty of others agree. Maybe demand the bare fucking minimum from your representatives.
Not voting has consequences, too. In this case, the consequence was allowing a fascist piece of shit to get the highest office in your declining country.
Your problem is, too, pride. Too proud to vote for someone who doesn’t represent you, even if it means you get a fascist regime who will cause, and has caused, so much more pain than the other choice would have.
Your choice to not vote contributed to that. That is a fact.
I know, right? How am I supposed to take that argument seriously?
This is not a situation where being technically logically correct matters. Of course we don’t AHKSHUALLY know. The world is complex and chaotic. Maybe if Harris got elected and started a reasonable administration the butterfly effect would have led to kim jong un launching all his nukes last month.
We don’t get to try both ways. Sometimes we have to estimate probabilities and acknowledge that all choices are flawed and come with numerous risks.
Just look at the news and be honest with yourself.
Rephrased: the choice was endorsing genocide, endorsing genocide, or not endorsing genocide.
I’m happy with the choice I made, and disgusted that you’re willing to sign your name off to endorse piles of dead children to protect your own privilege and comfort.
If supporting a holocaust is the price of protecting America, then the price is too high and we should refuse to pay it regardless of what comes next.
Not to mention that the Harris campaign’s internal polling revealed they never had her polling higher than Trump. They knew she had no chance of winning, and pressed on with her word-salad anyway. The Democrats could’ve run someone like Bernie (who is also a lame liberal Zionist) and won easily, even at his age. But they can’t do that, because their primary function in the empire is to kill emergent left-wing revolutionary movements.
You’re defending the enemy and the system which produced these consequences you’re ostensibly so appalled by.
The counterpoints are you used the Palestinian tragedy as an excuse for your laziness and lack of responsibility.
That you and others not voting elected Trump and made things worse for the people whose back you rode on with your shitty opinion and lack of national duty. They’re an excuse you use to cover your spinelessness and laziness.
You voted to worsen that genocide, not help it. You’re the reason it occurred, you were played and the Palestinians paid with their life to play grubs like you.
Hang your head in shame, both for using Palestinians as your excuse and for letting your countrymen down.
That’s actually just more ad hominem, not a meaningful counterpoint. Want to try again?
And I have absolutely zero “national duty” to a nation predicated on genocide, white supremacy, and environmental degradation. I do have a duty to humanity - a label which, contrary to common liberal ethos, applies no less to Palestinians than it does to Americans.
You’re the reason it occurred, you were played and the Palestinians paid with their life to play grubs like you.
This is the only slightly-true thing you said because, yes, I am partially responsible in that I was fooled into for voting for Biden in 2020. The genocide began with the founding of the illegitimate Zionazi state, but it certainly increased in intensity under Biden. Don’t worry, it’s not a mistake I’ll ever make again.
There was going to be a supporter of genocide in the office in any case. You had the choice between a supporter of genocide, and a supporter of genocide with a fascist program. You chose the high road and got the worst outcome.
That’s okay, I guess. I don’t care who won because they’re the same. That’s the point.
If I voted for Shitler by not voting for Holocaust Harris, did I also vote for Holocaust Harris by not voting for Shitler? Infinite vote glitch unlocked!
If I voted for Shitler by not voting for Holocaust Harris, did I also vote for Holocaust Harris by not voting for Shitler? Infinite vote glitch unlocked!
It is concerning that you do not understand that not voting enabled Trump. You’re a lost cause.
I, too, fail to see any difference between a verbal gaffe while not actually being in command, and a 4 year track record as the head of govt with a demonstrated propensity to spur insurrection, rape, conflict of interest and carrying out stated threats against political and international opponents, oh, and he did say he wanted Israel to have at it in Gaza, evict the Palestinians, try for a third term, and destroy the environment.
I must be a dumbass. Maybe I’ll sit out the most important election in my lifetime, next time. Duh.
She was tripping over herself to say she was just like Biden, throating Liz Cheney, and saying we will have “the most lethal military” while her administration starves bombs and starves a population of mostly refugee children. Telling her base to shut up and let her talk.
Who’s saying I’m not angry at her? She never had an administration. She was vice president, and nobody talks about pence. I’m saying compared to trump, who actually has a track record of fascist atrocities as commander in chief, she’s a fucking saint! Trump said he’d deport gazans and let Israel have it’s way with them. He is a convicted rapist and impeached felon. Yet here we are…
If it was about genocide, trump wouldn’t have won. She should have been better, no question. However, she was less leaning towards genocide in Gaza than he was. So if that was the decider it was vote her or third party or nobody, yet rump still got 70million odd votes.
If it was about genocide, trump wouldn’t have won.
That makes no sense. Polls confirm Republicans care far less about the genocide than independents and Democrats. You need to appeal to your base to win.
However, she was less leaning towards genocide in Gaza than he was
She literally promised no deviation from Biden’s policies regarding Israel. Are you familiar with the story of the man with down syndrome who spoke his first and last words - “Habibi, please stop” - to a Zionazi attack dog who mauled him before they left him to die from his injuries, alone in his home? That’s what Harris promised no deviation from. If you expect people to vote for that, your soul is compromised.
Yes, you need to appeal to your base to win. However, if voters are choosing between two candidates with almost identical positions on a topic, that’s not the deciding topic in that election.
Maybe it should have been, but it wasn’t. If those against genocide really cared about it as their single issuez they would have still voted Harris, who promised nonchangez as opposed to trump who said he’d let Israel do whatever they want.
If those against genocide really cared about it as their single issuez they would have still voted Harris, who promised nonchangez as opposed to trump who said he’d let Israel do whatever they want.
…Those are the same thing. Biden also let Israel do whatever they want.
I am against genocide so I do not vote for genocide. A truly mind-boggling approach.
If you’ve read the news this past year, no doubt you’ld be aware trump is doing what he said he’d do, and also did his first term. Good job! She wasn’t in charge when she made those statements. Trump IS.
But… His opponent had a funny laugh!
That’s a funny way to say: associated herself strongly with the genocide president and said how we were going to have the most lethal military in the world.
But sure it was the laugh.
Edit: liberals so insanely scratched below.
So did Trump.
The choice was: Harris, Trump, or no vote. At this point, not voting was synonymous with paving the road for Trump.
So, whatever it was that made people choose Trump over Harris, or not voting over Harris, was either a deliberate Trump choice, or a pride issue.
“No, I refuse to vote against fascism because the other option doesn’t really align with my views on the world”
Fuck. Off.
Absolutely this. Were the candidates ideal? No. Was the system ideal? Heck no. But they are blaming the system and quality of candidates for a choice they chose to make. They can swallow all of trump’s dick.
The DNC openly rigged primaries against Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton, then had a court declare they were within their legal right to do so.
America is failing. There’s populist fervor to see that change. Bernie offered a left-wing solution that would negatively impact the interests of the capitalist ruling class who control both political parties. The Democrats made sure that the nascent left-wing movement would die, as is their primary function within the American Empire.
But the populist fervor didn’t die, because the lives of Americans are still getting worse. The Democrats were fundamentally unable to seize upon that fervor, but Trump wasn’t. And unlike left-wing populism, right-wing populism doesn’t meaningfully threaten capitalism, so it was allowed to happen.
If you can understand all of that and claim people still shouldn’t blame “the system”, then your cognitive dissonance is showing.
I acknowledged the system was not ideal. If you can’t understand the threat trump representa to the country’s interest, even 9 years in, and especially if you chose to sit it out, or voted for trump in 2024, your cognitive dissonance is showing. Enjoy the next few years. Fix the system? Sure. But own your choice first, is all I’m saying.
Why would I possibly care about protecting a genocidal empire’s interests?
In 2016, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.
In 2020, I voted for Joe Biden. I massively regretted allowing their “lesser evil” manipulation to con me into signing my name to endorse the modern-day holocaust.
In 2024, I voted for Jill Stein. I did not regret that vote because I had not endorsed evil.
And before you come back with the typical liberal “but she was at a dinner table with Putin!”, idgaf when you’re endorsing politicians openly owned by Netanyahu. Both war criminals, but only one recognized genocidaire. You liberals love that “lesser evil” game, don’t you?
The problem wasn’t Harris. Was the repeated cycle of “vote for us or they will come”. It was the same with Biden and Hillary. Had the Dems go with a valid candidate and not a finger appointed glass of temperate water that only was more of the same shit, Trump wouldn’t have stand a chance.
Every time the “vote for us or else” threat is used it loses strength, because the “vote for us” part is only “we keep the things just as they are now”. And the way to stop Trump and people like Trump is changing things so massively that they can’t retaliate with some bullshit message. Because every time someone like Trump or a little less deranged takes power steers the politic table to the right as much as possible. And the solution can’t be “let’s not move the table”. MOVE THE FUCKING TABLE TO THE LEFT! The right and far right is gonna insult you for being in power, no matter what you do. So go full throttle and do things for the people and go as far as you can.
I agree with the sentiment and the source of this cycle of fascism, but the solution was not to let it happen.
“I agree that liberals paved way to the rise of fascism, but the solution was to vote for them anyway. Then I could’ve expressed half-hearted dismay at all the dead brown children on my feed, but maintained comfort in knowing that it ultimately would not effect me.”
You reap what you sow. Welcome to brunch.
Nice. Deleted account? Day old one? Or both?
…Neither? Browsing is hard, I know.
I didn’t say the solution was in the vote.
Let’s say Harris had won. Who’ll be next? An even softer Democrat? Against Trump or JD Vance or Miller or …? It’s either change things or let the fascist change them.
No, not voting is not voting, and the democrats in power are just polite fascists.
You will never have me vote in the affirmative for a genocide, and plenty of others agree. Maybe demand the bare fucking minimum from your representatives.
Not voting has consequences, too. In this case, the consequence was allowing a fascist piece of shit to get the highest office in your declining country.
Your problem is, too, pride. Too proud to vote for someone who doesn’t represent you, even if it means you get a fascist regime who will cause, and has caused, so much more pain than the other choice would have.
Your choice to not vote contributed to that. That is a fact.
I voted PSL actually.
Also you don’t know this is the lesser pain option, a second time line is conveniently imaginary.
Oh, please.
I know, right? How am I supposed to take that argument seriously?
This is not a situation where being technically logically correct matters. Of course we don’t AHKSHUALLY know. The world is complex and chaotic. Maybe if Harris got elected and started a reasonable administration the butterfly effect would have led to kim jong un launching all his nukes last month.
We don’t get to try both ways. Sometimes we have to estimate probabilities and acknowledge that all choices are flawed and come with numerous risks.
Just look at the news and be honest with yourself.
Rephrased: the choice was endorsing genocide, endorsing genocide, or not endorsing genocide.
I’m happy with the choice I made, and disgusted that you’re willing to sign your name off to endorse piles of dead children to protect your own privilege and comfort.
If supporting a holocaust is the price of protecting America, then the price is too high and we should refuse to pay it regardless of what comes next.
Not to mention that the Harris campaign’s internal polling revealed they never had her polling higher than Trump. They knew she had no chance of winning, and pressed on with her word-salad anyway. The Democrats could’ve run someone like Bernie (who is also a lame liberal Zionist) and won easily, even at his age. But they can’t do that, because their primary function in the empire is to kill emergent left-wing revolutionary movements.
You’re defending the enemy and the system which produced these consequences you’re ostensibly so appalled by.
Of course you’re happy with your choice. Most people who lack responsibility are.
Ad hominem with no actual counterpoints
This is why we call you people Blue MAGA
The counterpoints are you used the Palestinian tragedy as an excuse for your laziness and lack of responsibility.
That you and others not voting elected Trump and made things worse for the people whose back you rode on with your shitty opinion and lack of national duty. They’re an excuse you use to cover your spinelessness and laziness.
You voted to worsen that genocide, not help it. You’re the reason it occurred, you were played and the Palestinians paid with their life to play grubs like you.
Hang your head in shame, both for using Palestinians as your excuse and for letting your countrymen down.
That’s actually just more ad hominem, not a meaningful counterpoint. Want to try again?
And I have absolutely zero “national duty” to a nation predicated on genocide, white supremacy, and environmental degradation. I do have a duty to humanity - a label which, contrary to common liberal ethos, applies no less to Palestinians than it does to Americans.
This is the only slightly-true thing you said because, yes, I am partially responsible in that I was fooled into for voting for Biden in 2020. The genocide began with the founding of the illegitimate Zionazi state, but it certainly increased in intensity under Biden. Don’t worry, it’s not a mistake I’ll ever make again.
Coming from someone who rides on the backs of others deaths, say what you like, honestly.
Yeah we know.
Well, you put them there. It’s on you. Well done.
No, it’s fully true. Learning that you actually did something right last election makes it worse. Unless you’re lying.
More riding on the backs of dead people to cover your shitty act and make you look good.
I won’t. You’re not hurting me, only yourself and, given you’re not a Russian plant which could be just as possible, your countrymen.
Certainly, the Russians and Netanyahu find you a useful idiot at best.
Now go crawl back under your rock, I’m watching football.
There was going to be a supporter of genocide in the office in any case. You had the choice between a supporter of genocide, and a supporter of genocide with a fascist program. You chose the high road and got the worst outcome.
Your issue was pride.
Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point.
If you call refusing to sign my name to endorse genocide “pride”, then absolutely I am prideful as all fuck and will wear that badge proudly.
Your issue was cowardice. Maintaining your own comfort is more important than making even the most pithy stand.
Oh yes, by not voting you sacrificed so much of your comfort. You made such a worthy stand.
You have achieved nothing else than enabling Trump. And you don’t even realise it.
The Trump campaign counted on people like you to win. You served them well.
Don’t bother with them. The useful idiot lacks any capacity for logical reasoning.
That’s okay, I guess. I don’t care who won because they’re the same. That’s the point.
If I voted for Shitler by not voting for Holocaust Harris, did I also vote for Holocaust Harris by not voting for Shitler? Infinite vote glitch unlocked!
They’re not even remotely the same.
It is concerning that you do not understand that not voting enabled Trump. You’re a lost cause.
Here we go. Funny how the Gaza news cycle dropped the past year. It’s almost like it’s a non issue now that the election cycle is over.
Hasn’t dropped for me. Don’t care what the corporate media is doing or saying. Why would I?
I, too, fail to see any difference between a verbal gaffe while not actually being in command, and a 4 year track record as the head of govt with a demonstrated propensity to spur insurrection, rape, conflict of interest and carrying out stated threats against political and international opponents, oh, and he did say he wanted Israel to have at it in Gaza, evict the Palestinians, try for a third term, and destroy the environment.
I must be a dumbass. Maybe I’ll sit out the most important election in my lifetime, next time. Duh.
She was tripping over herself to say she was just like Biden, throating Liz Cheney, and saying we will have “the most lethal military” while her administration starves bombs and starves a population of mostly refugee children. Telling her base to shut up and let her talk.
Why aren’t you angry at her for being dogshit?
Who’s saying I’m not angry at her? She never had an administration. She was vice president, and nobody talks about pence. I’m saying compared to trump, who actually has a track record of fascist atrocities as commander in chief, she’s a fucking saint! Trump said he’d deport gazans and let Israel have it’s way with them. He is a convicted rapist and impeached felon. Yet here we are…
If it was about genocide, trump wouldn’t have won. She should have been better, no question. However, she was less leaning towards genocide in Gaza than he was. So if that was the decider it was vote her or third party or nobody, yet rump still got 70million odd votes.
That makes no sense. Polls confirm Republicans care far less about the genocide than independents and Democrats. You need to appeal to your base to win.
She literally promised no deviation from Biden’s policies regarding Israel. Are you familiar with the story of the man with down syndrome who spoke his first and last words - “Habibi, please stop” - to a Zionazi attack dog who mauled him before they left him to die from his injuries, alone in his home? That’s what Harris promised no deviation from. If you expect people to vote for that, your soul is compromised.
Yes, you need to appeal to your base to win. However, if voters are choosing between two candidates with almost identical positions on a topic, that’s not the deciding topic in that election.
Maybe it should have been, but it wasn’t. If those against genocide really cared about it as their single issuez they would have still voted Harris, who promised nonchangez as opposed to trump who said he’d let Israel do whatever they want.
It’s a fallacious argument.
…Those are the same thing. Biden also let Israel do whatever they want.
I am against genocide so I do not vote for genocide. A truly mind-boggling approach.
But you still got genocide. Just now you have it with a side of fascist rule instead of without. Hope you’re not melanated and near a border.
Oh no the inevitable consequences of liberalism
Sorry I didn’t continue to vote for the neo-Weimar
By inaction you allowed a worse evil.
If you’ve read the news this past year, no doubt you’ld be aware trump is doing what he said he’d do, and also did his first term. Good job! She wasn’t in charge when she made those statements. Trump IS.
Was she in charge of her own mouth when she promised no deviation from Biden’s policy of also letting Israel do whatever they want?
You’re defending an avowed genocidaire. Evaluate what led you here.
I evaluate that you sir, are a moron.