• devfuuu@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    Still waiting to see how all the guns are saving that country from fascism. That was the premise they kept arguing all the time.

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      My fellow worker: YOU need to buy a gun and legally protest with it. The fact that pro-gun Republicans are a lost cause doesn’t imply armed resistance is a lost cause.

      Part of the reason that Donnie can send ICE into blue cities is because many of us are unarmed. Imagine what would happen if we took lessons from the Black Panther Party and patrolled our streets with armed neighborhood watches.

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      Many current gun owners aren’t affected by what is going on, and the people that are affected haven’t decided to become gun owners so far.

      If you’re an american citizen you (yes you!) have gun rights just like you have any other right. You don’t need to be a car person to safely use a car, or a tech wizard to use your phone. You can have essential equipment and skill with firearms and still be a normal person.

      I’m paraphrasing but Deviant Ollam once said owning and knowing how to use a gun is the difference between being peaceful and being helpless

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          Honestly? Maybe. Plenty of opportunity for tinkering and customization, and general collectability.

          That said, there’s as much wrong with being “a gun nut” as there is with being “a gearhead,” which is to say “none, unless you run people over for fun.”

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          As someone who went down that path, no.
          You’ll become a gun nerd, likely a collector, but not necessarily a gun nut.

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            I’mma be honest, while I understand your distinction, those using the phrase “gun nut” without a shred of irony do not. To them, you’re one and the same.

            Collector? Don’t you mean “why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?”

            Fuck it, I for one embrace the label. Honestly if anything, all conflating the two actually serves to accomplish is to normalize the actual “nuts” as “nerds,” rather than making the nerds out to be nuts.

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              Don’t you mean “why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?”

              I’ve seen this argument used in the context that the average gun owner in the US owns 2-3 guns. For context, that’s not the number of guns in the US per citizen, it’s the number per gun owner.

              The person complaining was saying that nobody needs more than 1 gun. This is a good example of non-gun owners getting reactionary because they don’t know what they’re talking about. What if someone owns a rifle, shotgun, and a pistol? That’s 3 guns, all of which serve very different purposes.

              Plus a lot of people don’t seem to factor in that sport shooting is a thing. Personally, I regularly take a dynamics class, where you go through a variety of scenarios where you’re moving between positions while shooting. There’s also competition formats that do this too.

              Not only that, people don’t seem to understand that competition guns and everday carry guns are usually fairly different too. Much like how I wouldn’t want to drive a Lamborghini to pick up groceries or haul a trailer, I generally wouldn’t want to use a Sig P365 (a concealed carry gun) for a competition.

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              Honestly maybe that’s the answer. You can like guns without being all “don’t tread on me armed militia 2nd amendment” someone calls you a “gun nut”, just say you’re a “gun nerd”.

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            Right there’s people you see on the range with tricked out rifles with hand picked components, and then there’s mall ninja bubba open carrying four pistols at the food court

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          There’s so many optics and rails and lights and slings and suppressors and triggers and grips out there. People that get into it spend a ton of time min maxing their setups for competition, home defense, long range or whatever else suits their fancy

          And that’s just the guns themselves. But there is a difference betweem gun nerd and gun nut as others have said

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            Yeah, I’m aware, I’ve played H3VR and have friends who are, as I just learned, not gun nuts, but gun nerds I guess. While I can understand being into guns due to all the things you mentioned, and I’ve enjoyed shooting them before, I personally can’t get over having killing machines as a hobby, not to mention the data on the relative lack of shooting in countries where you can’t as easily own these things. So, I practice what I preach, and have chosen to not get into the hobby.

            That said, even I have my grandpa’s old pump shotgun on a shelf (without any ammo in the house), as I have enjoyed shooting trap on occasion, and it was free, though I haven’t thought to touch it since I inherited it over two years ago.

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          I’ve seen it happen, yes. You’ll start doing research on which to buy, learn all the features, learn best practices. Etc

          When we go, we go hard.

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      Don’t you mean the people with gun saving the country from fascism? Or do you really except the guns to do it on their own?

      Currently there are a few people without guns trying to stand up to fascism without violence. Most if not all are getting arrested/killed. There is also a large portion of the population that refuses to commit to violence. You see it over and over “don’t take the bait,” “don’t give them the excuse,” or “they want you to get violent.”

      In order to cross over and have those against the current administration with guns put everything on the line, it either needs to get so bad that those individuals have no other choice OR jury nullification needs to occur in a high profile matter.

      Put another way, has enough happened that YOU are personally willing to sacrifice your life to stand up against what is going on? If yes, do something. If no, continue building local community networks and support structures so if/when that occurs you have the capacity to effect change through violence.

      Saying that guns (the tool currently used by the facists) somehow will not be effective to combat them makes little sense. It’s not a gun issue. It’s a will issue.

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      THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT ARE THE FASCISTS

      IM SO TIRED OF THIS STUPID FUCKING LINE SHUT THE FUCK UP

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    It gets really tiring watching people pretend like background checks don’t exist. There is no brick-and-mortar store where you can walk in, pay and walk out with a gun 5 minutes later no questions asked.

    And that’s doubly so for online orders. Those have to get transferred to a local FFL who go through the background check when you pick it up

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      The cartoon said license, not background check. You absolutely do not need a license exactly as depicted.

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      While this is true, it’s my understanding that those background check requirements are easily circumvented at gun shows in many states.

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        Any sale between private individuals is entirely off the record.

        FFL dealers still have to run the check at gun shows.

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        You’re thinking of in-person private sales. You can buy a gun from another person directly without a check (in some states). This still carries some risks as you’d have to prove this transaction if the gun turns up in a crime and you get pointed at in one way one or another.

        Gun dealers carry a massive risk for skipping the check and anyone who needs to skip a check to buy a gun is going to know they won’t be approved, and they both get the axe if either party gets caught - So its a lose-lose deal that will rarely get taken.

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          Honestly, what I find frustrating is that even if a private seller wanted to run a background check, they can’t. Only FFL’s can do that. I think the ATF needs to open it up so more people can run them.