Jfc. Genuinely, are you confused about the context of this bill?
Because Democrats (Chris Murphy (D-CT)) submitted the bill in congress under a Democratic president, during an election year. This was the Democratic idea of how to approach immigration and immigration enforcement. Their idea. Their words. Not Republicans. Democrats. In the lead up to the election, this was the argument they took to the American people and said “This is what how we think we should approach immigration. This is how we think we should approach the border.”
I’m not understanding why you think that bill is relevant here.
A bill that didn’t pass from a party that has no power is the reason we have a party that authored Project 2025, is in power, and is gleefully trying to deport people like this 5 year old and his dad?
I’m not understanding why you think that bill is relevant here.
First, just read the room. Take a look around. Everyone one else in this thread recognizes the signficance of this, even if you don’t. That means you are missing something. You should be starting from a position of curiosity as to what that is, instead of assuming you’ve got something right (which you clearly know you don’t, at least on some level, otherwise you wouldn’t be asking this question). This has been an on-going discussion in this forum for over 2 years, and you’ve been an active, contributory participant in that discussion. Even if you don’t agree, you should know the basis for the arguments being made here, simply as a matter of exposure.
A bill that didn’t pass from a party that has no power is the reason we have a party that authored Project 2025, is in power, and is gleefully trying to deport people like this 5 year old and his dad?
Yes. Democrats lost the 2024 because of how they governed and campaigned. Decisions like the one to put forwards a bill like the one being discussed contributed directly to Democrats losing the election.
We need a name for the psychological condition which is to perpetually infantilize the Democratic party. If you didn’t know, from 2023 through November of 2024, Democrats were in an existential fight against fascism taking control of the US government, and they lost. And they didn’t lose by accident. They lost doing things that anyone with even a basically perceptive assessment of US politics would have been able to predict. Predictions many of us here made, and were later demonstrated to be right.
The point is that Democrats failed to make a distinction between the policies they would advocate for (the bill in question) and the policies Republicans would advocate for. Democrats, in the manner of their governance and actions, believe in the kinds of border policies which result in the state which is “gleefully trying to deport people like this 5 year old and his dad?”. Democrats gave up any leverage or ability to draw a distinction between themselves and Republicans because there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans in this matter.
And that matters, immensely, if you want to stop this death-spiral into fascism. We’re not spiraling into fascism because of Republicans. We’re spiraling into fascism because of Democrats. And apologizing or otherwise making excuses for them is fundamental to why things keep getting worse.
Jfc. Genuinely, are you confused about the context of this bill?
Because Democrats (Chris Murphy (D-CT)) submitted the bill in congress under a Democratic president, during an election year. This was the Democratic idea of how to approach immigration and immigration enforcement. Their idea. Their words. Not Republicans. Democrats. In the lead up to the election, this was the argument they took to the American people and said “This is what how we think we should approach immigration. This is how we think we should approach the border.”
I’m not understanding why you think that bill is relevant here.
A bill that didn’t pass from a party that has no power is the reason we have a party that authored Project 2025, is in power, and is gleefully trying to deport people like this 5 year old and his dad?
First, just read the room. Take a look around. Everyone one else in this thread recognizes the signficance of this, even if you don’t. That means you are missing something. You should be starting from a position of curiosity as to what that is, instead of assuming you’ve got something right (which you clearly know you don’t, at least on some level, otherwise you wouldn’t be asking this question). This has been an on-going discussion in this forum for over 2 years, and you’ve been an active, contributory participant in that discussion. Even if you don’t agree, you should know the basis for the arguments being made here, simply as a matter of exposure.
Yes. Democrats lost the 2024 because of how they governed and campaigned. Decisions like the one to put forwards a bill like the one being discussed contributed directly to Democrats losing the election.
We need a name for the psychological condition which is to perpetually infantilize the Democratic party. If you didn’t know, from 2023 through November of 2024, Democrats were in an existential fight against fascism taking control of the US government, and they lost. And they didn’t lose by accident. They lost doing things that anyone with even a basically perceptive assessment of US politics would have been able to predict. Predictions many of us here made, and were later demonstrated to be right.
The point is that Democrats failed to make a distinction between the policies they would advocate for (the bill in question) and the policies Republicans would advocate for. Democrats, in the manner of their governance and actions, believe in the kinds of border policies which result in the state which is “gleefully trying to deport people like this 5 year old and his dad?”. Democrats gave up any leverage or ability to draw a distinction between themselves and Republicans because there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans in this matter.
And that matters, immensely, if you want to stop this death-spiral into fascism. We’re not spiraling into fascism because of Republicans. We’re spiraling into fascism because of Democrats. And apologizing or otherwise making excuses for them is fundamental to why things keep getting worse.