Summary
Progressives criticized House Democrats for choosing Rep. Gerry Connolly over Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the top Democratic seat on the House Oversight Committee.
The 131-84 vote, reportedly influenced by former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, sparked backlash against the party’s “gerontocracy,” with critics like MSNBC’s Joy Reid and others arguing it prioritizes seniority over fresh ideas.
Connolly defended the decision, citing his experience, but progressives argued it reflects the Democratic Party’s resistance to change, hindering its ability to address future challenges and energize younger voters.
The ol battle axe was in hospital recovering from hip replacement surgery, but Pelosi still has the heart of a true leader, and managed to get a “young 74 year old” the seat. Way to go Democrats! You fucking idiots are why we have trump part deux.
It’s been far less reported but they did almost the exact same thing to Katie Porter in California. She was another rising star that got snuffed out by the DNC machine. They redistrict her seat and then they locked her out of the Senate election and pushed one of their elites in her place.
It was almost an exact repeat of what happened to Nina Turner in Ohio in 2021. Everywhere they can the Democrats lock out progressives. The Democratic party does not give one single shit. All they care about is the money and power they get as politicians. Everything they say is lip service.
And the dude has fucking throat cancer
I’m sure when he croaks in a couple months, AOC will get the seat as she was the runner-up, right?
They’ll have a 73 year old queued up
Democrats don’t deserve anymore support. We’ve got to get a party for the working class. It’s just corporate whores in the GOP and DNC.
The problem with a winner-take-all system like the Electoral College is that if you do not vote for the Democratic Party, you’re just underpinning the Republican Party. The unfortunate truth is that every progressive who sat out the November election for various reasons helped put Trump back in the WH. The Electoral College has to go for a third party to be viable.
Or you punish the party by removing its political support, until it properly represents your interests and if it is reluctant to do so, you keep organizing for a third party until it takes over.
The claim that the people not voting Dems helped Trump has to be put equally towards everyone that kept voting them no matter what, until they alienated so many people that a candidate like Trump could win. And Trump didnt win once. Hew won twice. The Dems chose to give Trump the victory over reforming themselves to address working class issues. And with all the talk about he would be the end to Democracy they made a point of showing that donors get their way, not normal voters. So their priorities have been made clear.
You can only keep drinking so much, until the hangover comes. But the longer you delay it, the harder it will hit
That’s true right up until it isn’t. Just ask the Whigs.
Sure on the national level that’s true, but on the local level third parties can definitely make big gains in areas that are safe democrat seats traditionally. Then from there you fight to implement those kinds of systems at the local level and work up from there.
If you’re interested in that you can always check out the DSA and see if they have a local chapter in your area. They’re not a political party right now but imo if anything is gonna form a true labor third party in the US it will most likely come from there.
DSA won’t ever work because of branding and propaganda. The general populance sees the word socialism and they reject it - morons. It would have to be rebranded as like the American labor party or something that fuckwits won’t associate with fascism.
That’s definitely a problem but that hasn’t stopped DSA members/endorsed candidates from winning elections at the local level. Which I think is really the only way a party can build momentum, starting from the bottom and working up. And I mean a labor party would have the same issue because as soon as any kind of left of Democrats party gains momentum the media will immediately start attacking them as socialist. So that’s just a problem that needs to be challenged by showing the popular things we would want to do and fighting back against the stigma associated with that cause no matter what that stigma is gonna be there.
The Democrats are going to lose the next election by not learning anything from the 2024 election. This will only get worse until we take back control of the party or start our own party and split the vote guaranteeing the republicans win the next midterm and presidential election.
The Democrats are going to lose the next election by not learning anything from the 2024 election.
Which they lost by not learning anything from the 2016 election.
The progress wing should leave the party. Force the dems to come crawling or show their hands as sleeper Republicans
The frustration is real. There’s a movement to create an American Labor Party. I think if it gets enough steam we might see some real change.
I’d be hopeful if it wasn’t mathematically almost impossible for a third party. But as soon as it happens sign me up regardless.
Its mathematically impossible to have three parties at once that are viable. If enough democrats and republicans move to a third party that it becomes one of the big two, thats fine. The democrats can be the new green party.
That’s just for the president. There’s no reason we can’t have a third party in the House or Senate.
I hope it comes to fruition, but the duopoly is quite established.
Seriously. I think frustration with the Democratic party is at an all-time high though, and that might be an important catalyst.
Not holding my breath but I’ll do that I can to help the cause.
I wish it would succeed but am afraid that this would lead to a bipartisan return to McCarthyism and Red Scare at the time when Russia is acting up again. America is allergic to the medicine known as Socialism for all of its illnesses.
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I’m not actually that surprised a vote by a bunch of politicians was decided based on politics and not which candidate was a better fit.
Yeah fuck the Democrats. I’m not giving the DNC or any mainstream PACs any more money. It’ll all go through AOC and Bernie from here on out. (Not that my meager contributions mean much to the DNC Corporate whores.)
My current opinion is not that schisming from the DNC would be a winning move, but if we do it should definitely happen now rather than later.
If the progressives all leave the dems are screwed.
If they dont, then everyone keeps getting screwed.
I don’t see how that addresses the point.
I think they are alluding to if we split off it ensures the Democrats don’t win, thus they would actually have to do something to earn our vote.
Now that is a failing strategy.
I’ll believe they are “up in arms” as soon as they actually do anything.
Old white men gonna old white men.
Pelosi too
I believe at this point she’s a honorary white old man
Split, fight, go to war, destroy half of the shitty parts of our party and come back as a unionist party of the fucking people and I might not consider a blue tie a fucking joke the next time I see one.
Clean house, and by clean house, fire yourselves outside of the firebrands and let them take us up to 11.
Maybe use those arms for more than just finger-wagging.
slapping? maybe shooting?
How can she slap?!
Pelosi stole that seat
And they wonder why people start hitting people over the head with hammers.
Did anyone think she would actually get it? I don’t think AOC herself thought she would. She even went on the View and called Pelosi “mama bear” 🤮
I don’t think AOC herself thought she would.
Because she knew the remaining boomers (or is Pelosi fucking Silent Generation at that?) would do everything they could to keep anyone with modern views and no great-grandchildren out of that seat.
She’s trying to play the game. She tried bucking them for the first couple years of her tenure in that seat. And they locked her out of everything. Pelosi lead the charge in that. AOC has been trying to ingratiate herself to that bitch but it has not helped because Pelosi is fucking cancer to the Democratic party. She sucks up all the oxygen in the room and gives literally nothing back. The reason Obamacare started out as such a god-awful mess is because pelosi refused to even consider a public option. And now it’s truly completely humped because the Democrats basically gave the Presidency, the House, and the Senate to the Republicans.
The only answer is chemotherapy. Meaning we need to kill most of the party by voting progressive independent instead of towing the party line. Because clearly they don’t give a shit.
Pelosi refused to even consider a public option
Nope. Version 1 of the ACA from the Pelosi House: https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3962/summary/00
This is the 2nd time I’ve come across someone lying specifically about this in the past day. Not sure if Zoomer hyperbole or Vlad.
First off. That’s not how bills work. You don’t introduce one and have it fail and that’s the “first draft”. Secondly this bill didn’t fail. It passed and it has become law. Thirdly this is a simple Medicaid and Medicare expansion bill. It did not create a public option for people. It just made Medicaid and Medicare available for a few more people than it previously did. You should actually read the stuff you link to.
Here is the actual Affordable Care Act with its “first draft” AKA the introduction.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590
And finally I’m Gen X not a Zoomer. I was there when they wrote this shit, I was there when they were debating it and paying very close attention. And I watched Nancy Pelosi go on television and tell everyone that a public option was not on the table because they wanted “bipartisan support” and Republicans wouldn’t support it with a public option attached. (Biden echoed this later while running for president) This, even though at that time they owned both the House and the Senate and the Presidency. And they were still trying to play nice with the goddamn Republicans. They were “afraid of a filibuster”. And they didn’t have the spine necessary to do away with the 2/3 majority overrule. Which, BTW, the Republicans have no scruples about doing.
He’s arguing in favour of letting Republicans win every election from now on, so my money’s on Vlad, with a sidebet on single-digit IQ.
It’s been almost 10 years since Bernie was screwed out of the primary.
If progressives give a shit about actually fixing this country they will not be allowed to do that from within the Democratic party.
We need a third party, and if progressives aren’t interested in splitting then they are complicate in the status quo
What a shit take. If you wanna get away with just making shit up like that then you should just go on right wing talk shows and pretend to be a pundit. They’ll love you
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