• WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Trump has never had a “deportation” agenda.

    What he’s had, from the start, is a “send anyone who opposes me to a concentration camp” agenda.

    The “deportation” of immigrants was just a cenvenient base from which to start establishing precedents.

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      The problem is that as of right now, he gets to be. That shouldn’t make you laugh. It should scare the shit out of you. He is literally planning on disappearing US citizens, making them stateless, and shipping them off to third world countries. He has already proven that he has people who are more than willing to wear masks and just kidnap people off the street on Trump’s orders, and has already shipped people out of the country without due process or even access to the legal system. If you happen to be caught up in it, good luck ever finding someone who speaks English again, let alone being able to contact your family or get legal representation.

      This should absolutely scare the fuck out of you.

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        It’s so frustrating seeing americans be so naive.

        They have their little late night shows where they laugh about the way Trump talks. They joke about the regime, talk about candidates for 2028. People wouldnt vote for Harris because they did not like everything about her, as if they now have a chance to ever get a better candidate again.

        They seem to be completely blind. Looking into it from a country where we learn in school how fascism arises it is unbelievable what attitude they have towards this obvious thing.

        ICE is Trumps Gestapo, his secret police, and now got all the money in the world to become his full fledged private army, his own SS and americans joke about his pattern of speech. Like yeah, cause no one with a funny way of speaking ever became a fascist dictator before.

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          America is a clown population, sitting at home laughing at sound bites, mocking each other like an “own” or a “like” actually mean or solve anything. The protesters hit 3.5% and they celebrated like it was problem solved.

          I had a man I thought was a friend tell me before the election he couldn’t bring himself to vote for a woman. I had people trying to tell me after that the “bright side” was he was going to go after immigrants like it was a consolation prize and he wasn’t “actually going to go after LGBT”

          I think we’re cooked tbh.

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        As of forever. Until they GOP replace him or he dies.
        You’re right, y’all should all be “absolutely” scared, and not this, “we’ll turn the tables next time…” attitude.
        YOU ARE ONLY SIX MONTHS INTO THIS!
        There will be no next time. They will not relent. They are on a game plan devised by think tanks and AI. The speed and analysis of AI may be too much.

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            Whether or not you like or believe in AI, it’s essentially a zip file of all the human knowledge on the internet (or whatever training data used). There is no question a maliciously aligned AI could work out a blitzkrieg political plan, and then adapt as things unfold.
            In fact the randomness of some of the actions these party politicians have been taking seem so disconnected leads me to believe humans weren’t in the loop. Is alphago conscious. No. Did it beat the best alphago player in the world? Yes. Does it matter if an AI is conscious, or the AGI/ASI hype train is real to fuck up society? No.

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              AI is known to hallucinate. The use of AI does not make them unbeatable as, at some point, it will go crazy and do random things that hurt the regime (and even more countless innocents).

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              Whether or not you like or believe in AI, it’s essentially a zip file of all the human knowledge on the internet

              No it fucking isn’t.

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                Know what? I take that back. I see your types of sentiment all over the interwebs and I’d like to know know more about you. Tell me why you feel this way.

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                YErSe it fErkiNg Is.
                😆 lemme guess, you think it’s just a regurgitator.
                What’s the equivalent of “Luddite” in this modern era, so we can assign the moniker to peeps like you"

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              Alphago was designed entirely within the universe of Go. It is fundamentally tied to the game; a game with simple rules and nothing but rule-following patterns to analyze. So it can make good go moves, because it has been trained on good go moves. Or self-trained using a simulated game maybe, idk how they trained it.

              ChatGPT is trained the same way, but on human speech. It is very, very good at writing human speech. This requires it to be able to mimick our speech patterns, which means its mimickry will resemble coherent thought, but it’s not. In short, ChatGPT is not trained to make political decisions. If you’ve seen the paper where they ask it to run a vending machine company, you can see some of the issues with trying to force it to make real-world decisions like running a political campaign.

              You could train an AI specifically to make political campaign decisions, but I’m not aware of a good dataset you could use for it.

              Could AI have been used to help run a campaign? Yes. Would it have been better than humans doing it? Probably not.

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                Yeah I understand how AI works you don’t need to tell me about it. Humans are mimics too. Your “probably not” argument gets thinner every major AI update. Check the scoreboard and the exponential curve these things are on.
                You think they offered the full meal deal to the public? What’s happening in the back room?
                My point is it’s a tool. All the anti-AI people seem to be on this bullshit about whether it’s going to be super intelligent smarter than humans or not.
                It doesn’t have to be for this purpose. Will it be in the future? Doesn’t matter. It’s a tool that can be leveraged right now.
                Maybe that’s the great filter after all, civilizations in the universe eventually end up making Ai and it wipes everybody out and then it goes dormant, who knows? But it’s here and it can do some crazy shit already.

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      He’s been handed a blank check by liberals who were terrified of the phrase “Defund ICE”. They embraced reactionary politics and doubled down on police and military as a remedy for the BLM protests and the COVID economic crisis.

      Trump gets to be the judge because Trump quite literally got to appoint all the judges.

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      Trump being the judge on what constitutes good moral character

      that’s literally what this is…

      i wish i could laugh about it

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      He’s the man the voters chose - if they didn’t trust his judgement, they could have chosen someone else. His moral character represents American moral character.

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    “[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi.“

    Because they give a shit about federal courts

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      Except SCOTUS has just ruled that defendants have to make a legal claim for each and every act enabled by an unconstitutional law. So yeah Trump can do literally anything he likes.

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    "[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi. “Denaturalization finally does belong to federal district courts – but they are obviously keen on finding every way they can to denaturalize people they think did not deserve to be naturalized.”

    But what the administration can do is drag anyone and everyone they want into the courts, where they’ll either have to pay for their own attorney or go it alone, jump through hoops, miss work, incur travel expenses, and of course all the fucking stress that goes along with “this is the beginning of my being disappeared to a foreign gulag.”

    They don’t care whether any specific individual is denaturalized. Some percentage will be, for good or bad “reasons.” Some will just give up and leave the country. Some will go on the run. Many will succeed in court, retaining their citizenship, as well as a whole lot of paranoia for the rest of their lives.

    All of them will suffer from the process. The suffering is the point.

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      And those who win in court… have no guarantee that the federal administration won’t round them up again in the future and put them through the entire process again.

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      "[The administration] can’t, on their own, denaturalize people, they still have to go to a federal district court,” said Chisthi.

      “Wanna bet?”

      – Trump.

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    If there’s anything that Trump especially excels at, one talent, one skill, he is the absolute master of, it is his fucking hypocrisy. Like any bully, like any fascist, they will use your own rules to beat you down as they, by definition, are in violation of them. When they violate the rules, they are “strong“. When you violate the rules you are “weak“.

    The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

    It works because they have no shame. And they have no shame because they are psychopaths.

    How fascism is specifically designed to break democracy using its own rules: The Alt-Right Playbook: You Go High, We Go Low

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    “Immigration matters are civil matters, meaning that immigrants – whether they are naturalized citizens or not – do not have the right to an attorney in such cases.”

    How can immigrantion matters be considered a civil matter if you criminalized someone’s immigration status?

    Example in Tennessee: "The legislation, criminalizing the act of being in Tennessee without legal immigration status, would come with both jail time and an eviction notice from the state. Judges would be required to issue 72-hour warnings to leave Tennessee to anyone charged or convicted of the crime.

    The first offense would be a misdemeanor, but would rise to a felony if someone is charged a second or subsequent time."

    That means Tennessees courts should immediately shoot that down as unconstitutional because it is a civil matter according to the federal government.

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      I guess the logic is that this is a civil matter, then the consequences of it are criminal. Still, seems silly.

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        How could consequences for a civil matter be criminal. Just sounds wonky to me. It would be like saying marriage is a civil matter, but if you get divorced or cheat on them them it’s criminal.

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        There isn’t much opposition in Tennessee, but Memphis and Nashville still exist. So you have Tennessee judges that have blocked their bills to ban drag shows, hemp products, ID’s for porn, and laws against transporting women in need of health services. They don’t always win long term but they don’t just let everything go through without a peep. I’m sure there are others I don’t remember, but it is always nice to see when they do block something.

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      How can immigrantion matters be considered a civil matter if you criminalized someone’s immigration status?

      Because you have a judge who rubber stamps your twisted legal reasoning. And you’ve got a liberal opposition that only knows how to shrug at fascism and deflect blame onto college leftists for not voting harder.

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    The thrice divorced, adulterous, non-bill-paying would surely fall into this category.

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      Not according to the new set of conservative morals. They think Taco is more Jesus than Jesus (who was a commie liberal anyway) and the very pinnacle of moral character.

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    Not a loophole. Ambiguous and subjective criteria are designed to give decision makers cover to ultimately do whatever they want, unbound by the rules. When the system permits, the system is flawed.

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      I believe the two reasons maga gained popularity among the average American are both from fear/hate of people from other cultures(brown folks), as the country I know is still heavily segregated by zip code in most places. And, what really worked well, because anyone can participate, the fear/hate of trans and other lgbtq folks.

      The democrats, I’m convinced today are in fact controlled opposition. Who thought pushing… forcing language like latinx without popular support from the people the name it represents? It was shoved in folks faces, and they were told to support it or they were a bad person. You can’t do that without extensive discussion and then having popular support to change it. Niether were done.

      The same thing is happening with trans people in sports. There wasn’t any discussion about it before it was allowed, no one was prepared. Then, suddenly, people who have never met a trans person in their life, started seeing news headlines about it. There are born women, who are uncomfortable with this, whether or not they are anti trans or an ally, it doesn’t matter, because I guarantee you both exist, and they say they are uncomfortable with it. It was another decision that was made without disscussion from the group they represent. Why don’t afab women’s voices matter in this case? Again, now this pro trans group is telling you are a bad person for not wanting transfolk in sports, even just questioning it, even if otherwise you’d be an ally.

      Dem’s pushed this stuff, without giving time for culural shift and discussion and imput from the people it would affect, and to make it worse if you voiced an opinion or question it online, even in an honest way, you would be instantly dogpiled and flamed.

      I think every republican ad I saw up to the election mentioned trans people. There are tons of folks who have never met a trans person, have no idea what the process is like, leaving a lot of room for imagination. They went hard with the fear in those advertisements, they did a great job in working a mountain out of a molehill. Add in that everyone now has the internet in our pocket, some isolated communities are being exposed to things they otherwise wouldn’t have ever seen, driving the fear of the unknown.

      Disclaimer I’m pro doing whatever you like for yourself, so long as it hurts no one else, and respects the people around you. Just know it’s stated. I tend to think in terms of sociology, and this is simply my observation.

      I don’t think hobbes here has any integrity with this comment I’ve responded to, but I do think I’ve a small grasp on how they got there.

      Also, anyone truly convicted of pedophilia shoud spend the rest of thier life in agony. They should not be granted death unless it’s from their victims wishes, and they should live in agony for as long as they breathe. I don’t care what faction you represent, messing with children is the lowest crime anyone can do and is not punished harshly enough.