- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
- cross-posted to:
- world@quokk.au
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/37491366
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As shitty as 4chan is, as dumb and pointless as that UK legislation is, we STILL invited Trump to dine with the King. The Royal family didn’t even invite thier own pedo.
I didn’t expect in my life to side with 4chan
4chan is an extreme example of an unmoderated site - indeed it’s what the OSA was designed to combat. If this legislative test fails, it would undermine the acts legitimacy, and provoke questions as to it’s existence.
It’s a shit law - it’s not fit for purpose. Its sole reason for existence is to controle public speech, not protect the children.
UK is ultra lame for this.
Most fucking annoyingest law ever.
Well fuck the UK but lolz at 4chan. Once, long ago, they were a place to watch faces of death type stuff. And it went downhill from there.
I would normally be sympathetic to their stand except earlier this year when this first started, they called on Trump to use all available political leverages to prevent this and protect free speech. Calling on Trump to protect free speech is just absolutely ridiculous.
We’re allowed to call it retarded now at least
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I never thought I’d be siding with 4chan.
Just to let you know I was never a 4chan user.
That catchca is fucking ass. Who the hell wants to do that every post?
Back in the day it was humorous, because every 4chan poster ‘knew’ to replace the word that was obviously the unknown word with a slur, curse, pejorative, or random word. Like, how did 4chan not get ripped from being able to use capcha?
That’s exactly what a 4chan user would say… *narrows eyes in suspicion*
I love you, my coin operated boy!
the UK is fucked
At least they are a little less fucked now lmao
4chan is full of assholes, but blocking websites is pretty fucked. what person wants their government doing that?
None of us do. Most of us have started using VPNs ever since this law came into effect.
Welp, i agree with 4chan.
Inb4 major Lemmy instances get banned
Let’s start with who they going to fine, and which domains will they Ban!
But yea, it could happen.
Having Fedi folks agreeing with 4chan is not on my bingo card this year, or ever.
Deferent but similar
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Lol its a hate speech site, nazi bar. They literally use n-words. As someone from a family of immigrants, I don’t deal with bigotry like “go back to your country”, so no thanks, you can go enjoy the toxicity if you want lol.
Dont forget its full of pedos
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Undeterred “free speech” has a self-limiting feedback loop where the most extreme views shared by a majority of users eventually drown out minority views. Threats and insults are a kind of self moderation in communities like those, they incentivise uniformity in opinions and demographic while deterring minority/disenfranchised groups from interacting, which is exactly what happened with 4Chan. For example, as of 2025 roughly 80% of 4Chan users are male compared to, say, Tumblr’s 49%
Formal moderation, while not always well done, is a way to protect diverse opinions.
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Probably.
We’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel with the latest of you Reddit refugees.
United Kondom
Free pepe
I might not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend to death, your right to say it kinda shit
The permission of unrestricted hate speech is what leads the people like your current president being your current president.
Within reason. Libel, incitement to violence, hate speech, etc, should be illegal for obvious reasons
Maybe, but what about when governments start saying being anti-israel is hate speech?
Once your govt has been captured by foreign interests, it doesn’t really matter what laws are on the books anyway, they’ll find a way to screw you over.
Early this year Rümeysa Öztürk was kidnapped and deported from USA with precisely that excuse. Anti-Israel hence pro Hamas hence enemy of USA.
There is an obvious reason why countries like Germany make a strong stance against any “trolling” nazi joke/imagery/salute.
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
But America’s First Amendment seems to not understand that reason (or only understand when it is weaponized against communism, black people, trans rights and all the “woke culture” stuff)
Like alot of things in the USA, laws are selectively enforced to protect the status quo.
“Youre anti fascist? Youre a terrorist!”
America’s first amendment doesn’t grant a total right to free speech. Conspiracy to commit murder is just speech, but is very much illegal, and so is copyright infringement.
Conspiracy actually requires an act towards the plan. It’s not just speech.
Everyone has a different definition, but yeah generally free speech in an ideal sense extends to just before you start causing what a reasonable person would concern harm to someone.
Fuck that. People spreading racial hate and public lies with the intention to mislead the public should be locked up.
I would say intent matters and while it’s impossible to truly determine it, we still have a distinction for murder/manslaughter and negligence.
If a politician lies or hides something for personal gain, that should be illegal, but there’s so much stuff the state does where it’s best if the general public don’t know, public order would probably break down pretty quickly otherwise.
Same with racial hate. If it’s just stating an opinion, fine, I probably don’t agree but go ahead. If you’re actively trying to harm (mentally, economically, socially or physically) that group, or inciting others to do the same, then that’s not fine.
I can’t think of where “racial hate” could possibly be “just stating an opinion” without also causing harm that is both mental and social.
It depends how you define “racial hate” and how you define mental or social harm. I also do mean social harm, not societal, meaning to catch things like sunset communities (ie restricting where people can live, or where they can go), rather than “society is worse off because of people’s opinions.”
Again, in my opinion, it depends on intent. If you make a post on your blog with 200 followers saying “I’m tired of X race moving to my city,” I don’t think that should be illegal, even if it is disgusting behaviour. If you post it to (eg) a community group for those people, I’d say it should be illegal.
That said, I’m very liberal on policing, so believe that the state shouldn’t be responsible for policing morality, which people may not like when they realise it involves making things that are pretty much objectively immoral legal, regardless of what they are.
You seem to think that if something is indirect it isn’t harmful, so being openly racist with your friends is OK as long as you’re not telling the people you’re dehumanizing directly? Sounds like you would think cheating on your wife is OK as long as she didn’t find out.
Personally, I don’t think there is any good or acceptable racial hatred, and pretending that there is is what got the neofascists so much political clout around the world.
It’s ridiculous for the UK to issue fines to a company who doesn’t operate in the country. Just block access if that’s whatever your stupid laws dictate.
What? And let loose what is basically an opportunity for a bribe?
Nobody cares what the UK thinks. The company has no presence over there. Down with the British. :-)
And as a result of that attitude they just lost the entire UK market
EU fined number of tech giants before, this is not new. If you have users and derive income from a country, you are operating in this country.
Those tech giants operate in the EU and have EU customers. 4Chan does neither and stores no user data. At that point the onus is on the user and the UK/EU should be going after their own citizens that use it if they have a problem with it being used. Ideally, they wouldn’t go after anyone but here we are.
That’s like saying that a company can freely import guns into a country where they are banned, but it’s all the civilians fault if they buy any.
4chan is selling passes to UK customers
4Chan does neither
Which word from what I said caused you trouble?
