The logic behind the voice controls sounds pretty questionable, but it’s supposedly backed by data showing that users spend billions of minutes talking in Microsoft Team meetings, according to Mehdi — so they’re already used to talking on the computer, right?
Do they really reason like this? Oh my. That’s stupid. And here I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people.
I was thinking Microsoft employs clever people
As a programmer, I’ve had numerous colleagues who have ended up as software engineers at MS. They were mostly either unbelievably lazy or extremely incompetent. The rest who were both ended up there as managers.
Linux is the only viable solution to this mess. And no it is not as scary as it seema
Does Lemmy have a “Stallman was right” community? Or is that just all of Lemmy.
Most of it, yes.
yay! hi mint!
I am also newly minty fresh.
Although up graded anyway because the games I play aren’t an Linux.
The only downside is gaming.
I made a portable flashdrive for Linux for anything I want to keep privet and left windows for exclusively gaming.
Depending on the games you play, thanks to Valve with Proton and Steam Deck, most games are actually already playable on Linux. The only exception is newer multi-player online games with kernel-level anticheat. I haven’t done any gaming on Windows in years pretty much.
Steam has a native Linux client and every game I bought on Windows runs just fine on Linux.
All my older, non-steam games, like “Deus Ex” or “Giants: Citizen Kabuto” run great under Wine, using the default settings. Also, there are Linux versions of DOSBox, for older games.
basically my current setup too. it took me just a couple of months on Win11 to straight up give up on Windows because it’s just not very good
For now, the Copilot features will be technically opt-in, but it’s more than possible that this will change in the future.
As much as i dislike some Windows 11 elements, let’s stick to facts. The headline make it seem way worse than it actually is, although still not good at all.
Not sure why we’re surprised. And even then, it took a while for the “good” OSes to get good. Windows 7 is remembered fondly because it ended well, not because it started well.
Windows 95: OK Windows 98: Bad Windows 98 SE: OK Windows ME/2000: Bad Windows XP: OK Windows Vista: Bad Windows 7: OK Windows 8: Bad Windows 10: OK Windows 11: Bad
Windows 98 wasn’t bad. It was a big improvement in stability over 95. Windows ME/2000 were two completely separate products. Win 2000 was based on NT which always got better until maybe Vista. Vista itself wasn’t bad. The problem was end users not liking security. Vista made it easier than sudo to temporarily elevate security and everyone still complained. So they backed off on 7 which was less secure because it didn’t enforce security elevation as much.
You also can’t list 98SE and ignore Win 8.1. 8.1 was a bandaid fix for the start menu of 8 but was still a bad. Not to mention that there was also Win95 OSR1 and Win95 OSR2.
There’s no significant difference between 10 and 11 to claim one is good and the other is bad. All the spyware and advertising garbage in 11 was also in 10.
*backed off on 7 ?
I think you’re also overlooking that the driver model changed for Vista, so tons of hardware listed as supporting Vista was just extremely unstable at release until hardware vendors figured out the new driver model
If its drivers, then XP was really bad. It was so bad it didn’t even support HD’s bigger than 128GB at release despite Win2k supporting the larger drives.
Forcing users to ditch WIndows 10? I can’t help but feel like this is a giant media campaign by microsoft to make people switch to Win 11. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. I can still use Windows XP if I want to.
Corporate users will find it unacceptable to use an OS without regular security updates. Individual users will do whatever they want as per usual. Unfortunately without the security updates, the average Windows 10 user is going to be less and less secure over time, although MS will undoubtedly patch major things.
The machine I have to use at work was updated to windows 10 two months ago. One of the software we use for our job is hosted on a VM running Windows 98.
How bad would running Windows 10 past support be exactly? Seems like most vulnerabilities should have been patched by now.
Extended security updates are available. This can be activated for free using Microsoft Activation Scripts.
Microsoft tech support has been repeatedly caught using these scripts to resolve support tickets for license issues. (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-support-cracks-windows-for-customer-after-activation-fails/) Also, the open source MAS code is hosted on Microsoft-owned Github, so they are appearantly not very concerned with people taking advantage of this exploit.
If you go this route, please also see the FAQ entry here. There is currently a glitch with commercial ESU keys (which this uses) and Windows Update will continue to claim that your device will no longer receive security updates. This is also effecting W10 LTSC systems. However, you can verify that the license key is active through Command Prompt and instructions are given in the FAQ.
See an example here:
Microsoft said both issues could allow attackers to execute code with elevated privileges, although there are currently no indications on how they are being exploited and how widespread these efforts may be. In the case of CVE-2025-24990, the company said it’s planning to remove the driver entirely, rather than issue a patch for a legacy third-party component.
The security defect has been described as “dangerous” by Alex Vovk, CEO and co-founder of Action1, as it’s rooted within legacy code installed by default on all Windows systems, irrespective of whether the associated hardware is present or in use.
New attack vectors are found constantly. Having no support can very likely result in a system that can be automatically breached in a few weeks to months.
As long as you don’t have a public IP on your device and are in a trusted network you should be fine. But if you use a public wifi or somehow expose a port to the internet you’re increasingly vulnerable for each day after the last security update.
There’s always going to be vulnerabilities, that’s why they’re ending support. They don’t want to spend time updating an OS they don’t want people using.
Windows 10 is probably fairly secure… today. In 2 years, someone might discover a new vulnerability, and you won’t get the update. If there’s a new way to do web security and the browsers need OS support to implement it, you’ll be stuck on legacy security settings.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many critical vulnerabilities are currently unpatched in Windows 7?
It’s not going to take 2 years…
New vulnerabilities are found on a daily to weekly basis.
To put this in perspective. In 2024 there were 1360 vulnerabilities reported, 587 confirmed with 33 deemed critical.
I would hazard there are critical vulnerabilities that are right now being worked on, or are complete but unreleased. There was a concern of the exploit being patched. That concern is gone for millions of PC(s).
That said. Practice safe browsing and you should avoid a lot of it. Always use a
rubberAd Blocker
If you want to keep running Win10, look into 0patch. They do in memory patching and are MUCH smaller, it’s what a real OS manufacturer would put out.
Short term honestly likely fine for your avg person. After even six months tho I wouldn’t trust using it for banking, government sites or anything more sensitive then looking at cat memes.
Its probably more lazy than anything. Security always depends on what you need to protect. If you want to keep using it, dont keep sensitive information on it. People will target vulnerabilities in Windows 10 as time goes on.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a conspiracy where Microsoft purposely left a massive hole in windows 10. And they are going to attack their own system in 2 months and be like “oh noez, welp guess you have to come to windows 11”.
They don’t care about forcing you to 11 other than it saves them development costs. All the ads and spyware are also in 10.
It’s the same reason Linux distro’s don’t patch old kernels but force you to upgrade every 12 years.
These threads feel kinda redundant, all comments are just preaching to the choir.
Can anyone comment about anything besides “[…] switched to Linux […]”?
windows 10 LTSC from massgrave.dev site for afew years, but that will come to an end too. after that if you hate yourself there are the BSDs, or you can install hackintosh too. but the linuxes are the most mature alternative that won’t just fuck you over
What else do you expect everyone to do? Please enlighten us if you have something more to offer than switching to Linux — which seemingly is the best option currently.
I’m not that guy but there’s ESU or windows 10 IoT.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t, I am saying that there’s more to discuss than “switched to Linux /thread”.
For example let me just quote microsoft “The vision that we have is: let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI, and build essentially what becomes truly the AI PC.” and think about what that means for your workplace. Windows isn’t going to vanish in a few years. The companies that have a lot of windows PCs will have to deal with increased hardware requirements in an already expensive market, have to wrangle user settings that the ai set on voice commands or fight against Microsoft to shut it all down.
I feel like there’s going to be a lot of wasted productivity in the coming years spend on fixing what ai broke.
Sure, I switched to Mac.
Don’t they also push their new AI on customers? I don’t use MacOS so I’m a bit ootl on that.
There are a few ai based tools offered, but nothing shoved in your face.
There are several common refrains on Lemmy that many people find cathartic. If you don’t care to tell us about your preferred Linux distro again, maybe another thread will pop up soon about how streaming services are enshittified and you can tell us about what you’re self-hosting again.
I get wanting to tell people that you’ve switched from windows but these threads just feel too repetitive to be engaging, there’s no interesting discussion when everyone is just repeating the same points every month.
There’s also no discussion about the article or if there is then I couldn’t find it because of all the switched to Linux comments.
Oh well, back to other threads…
Stay on 10 and force M$ to give further updates because of sheer popularity, just like they had to with XP
Companies have already updated, new notebooks come with windows 11, it’s sadly inevitable that most users will sooner or later be switched to windows 11.
It’s insane how much extra time, effort and sanity you can retain simply by switching to Linux. I initially switched a few years ago, then fully shortly after. Using my PCs has never been better and I had no issues with gaming. The only games that don’t work are some of the live service ones I’ll never be interested in.
One of the best decisions in my life, right up there with deleting all social media. Life keeps getting better, relatively speaking, but of course rich pedophiles just can’t tolerate us having a good time.
Microsoft is going to implode with the AI bubble
I hope you’re right but they’ve been overdue since USA vs Microsoft.
MS is waaaay too big to fail.
Xerox, AT&T, sometimes companies die
How about an example from the last 40 years?
Guess I’ll be keeping mine offline forever then.
Long time windows user, games retained me but I found Proton so bye bye forever windows. Now convincing my wife to switch it’s the real challenge haha
Just do it while she’s at work!
Wow the new Windows 11 UI update looks wild… I like it.
I hate windows 11 so much. Notifications are so much harder to read compared to 10 due to the right menu being nonexistant, instead we have this floating notification area that I never use. Everything takes ages to load, even on my beefy pc Settings still takes like 10 seconds to open. And it feels like the programmers died halfway though re-coding the context menus. Everything slightly more advanced can only be done through the old stuff so you end up with this awful mess where there’s no design consistency, and it takes twice the clicks to get to something.
Glad I ditched windows 11 for linux mint.
I’m hoping I can last one more month with my Win10 laptop. After that I’ll have the time to see if UNIX is the way to go. My laptop is almost 10 years old so I’m not sure if that would be like putting lipstick on an old pig or not.
Linux is exactly where you should go with old computers.
With a proper distribution/DE combination, you can run it on 20+ year old computers with no issue.
But overall, if your laptop runs Windows 10, it will likely run every Linux distribution easily.
You’ll likely be amazed at how well it works, I’d take a 10 year old laptop with Debian+KDE over a brand new laptop with Win11, and it’s not close.
nah older laptops flourish with linux. get ventoy and you can already try out distros without getting committed
I just put cachyos on an hp laptop from 2016 or so. It runs so much better now. The old devices dont handle the bloat of Windows well anymore. Ive heard others have had compatibility issues but I haven’t so I can’t comment on that.
Since security patches are not being deployed on a daily or weekly basis, you should be fine for even more than a month. Eventually using Windows 10 for security or privacy relevant activities, like banking, e-mail or such will become dangerous as more and more unpatched weaknesses might evolve.
