Two questions:
- Is this for real?
- Does it work?
I feel like a large company going to that kind of effort to explicitly tell me to not spend money on something would have the exact opposite effect. It’s not like they’re saying “unions are bad, actually” it just like “this thing you were going to spend money on, maybe don’t?”
Imagine a poster saying “Drugs are really expensive - you’ll get more value for money if you buy videogames” - would that work?
It should be illegal to put up stuff like this.
It cost them 700, not you. You will gain from an Union
It costs you 700 now and it costs them an unknown amount in the future. They just don’t like it because they suspect it’ll be quite a lot more than the 700 that you’re paying to join. They’re right too.
But union dues are annoying in the moment, because when it happens all you see is a reduction in your pay and initially no change in working conditions. That’s why they have posters like that up, because even though intellectually people understand that being in a union will long-term result in better pay, in the short term it does effectively result in a temporary pay cut, which can be hard if you’re already not really very well paid.
If you’re joining an established union sometimes they will be smart and not charge members until they’ve renegotiated their salaries. But that only happens if you’re joining a already formed union.
No it’ll cost you, it comes out of your after tax wage. But it’s an investment into you and your colleagues futures for better wages, stronger protections and benefits.
In my country you can get union dues back as a tax deduction.
It comes out of their pocket because unions tend to negotiate for better pay
The protections are key here. I’d take a slightly lower wage for a healthy work environment any day, and I know that most people agree.
Also if the company refuses and hires scabs you can always put the money towards hiring union enforcers. Mind you we aren’t quite there again but I don’t we’re too far off either, showing up to a scabs home at 2AM to have a nice talk or ambushing the boss on his way home. The glory days may be long gone but I hope to see new glory forged.
What really works is when unions start being powerful enough to dictate governmental policy. That’s when things really improve. Of course the millionaires and billionaires will complain about interference, because it’s only good when they do it.
Not to mention that you’ll likely get pay rises worth more than what is paid in dues.
I guess Delta thinks their employees are complete fucking morons.
Given Delta hired them and saw their education level, they’re probably right.
I like how the URL listed beneath the Delta logo (https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5/10/18564745/delta-anti-union-video-game-poster) just goes to a site with fake statistics and SEO slop now.
“near me in USA”
“Looking for services near you? Find reliable and experienced in the USA.”
“15000+ Services Provider”
“Professional services Near Me”
etc, etc.These posters should be illegal.
In a lot of countries it would be illegal.
In a lot of countries the unions became powerful enough to be governments, and implemented anti-union busting laws.
For some reason the United States seems to have skipped a bunch of the social development that went on in other countries. Unfortunately this is probably because of the American psyche and their obsession with the idea that rags to riches is possible, despite all the evidence. So nobody wants to limit their own potential wealth by giving away money to the workers, just in case one day they become the wealthy. The end result is that a bunch of people have to work for Amazon.
It’s a nice reminder that one is in a capitalist hellhole. Like taken from a dystopian game.
Is this dystopian game something I can afford with my savings from not paying union dues?
is this poster real tho?
Seems low effort
Apparently it’s real.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/delta-airlines-anti-union_n_5cd99d0de4b0615b08171d6a/amp
The individual poster may or may not be real, but anti-union ‘training’ and propaganda are definitely real.
I’ve seen several from this campaign and they’re so dumb I feel like someone was maliciously compliant in making these so that Delta’s opposition to the union would actually encourage more people to vote to join. Like, management came to someone in marketing, but that person actually wanted to support the union effort.
When I worked at Best buy over 10 years ago they had the exact same propaganda. You know instead of union dues you could buy an Xbox! (From us no less!)
…okay I added that last bit but it was implied
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I know that this is what a lot of Americans think socialism is but it’s worth pointing out that socialism is not communism.
Communists want to take over with force and violence and overwhelming thought policing. Inevitably this pisses people off and ultimately doesn’t work. See literally every communist regime ever.
Socialists simply want to implement progressive policies and are generally happy to do that within the confines of current law (assuming the current law isn’t oppressive).
The US becoming socialist would simply be via a series of increasingly progressive policies over a period of several electoral cycles. It wouldn’t be violence in the streets.
Okay I’m not sure where you got this from, but you’re wrong on both counts. Socialists absolutely want to do more than just implement progressive policies (you’re thinking of social democrats); the definition of a socialist is someone who believes the working class should seize the means of production. Some socialists believe that can be done through capitalist democratic systems (we call those democratic socialists), but still the goal is a lot more broad than just implementing progressive policies; on the other hand you have more militant or even revolutionary socialists, who usually advocate direct action (sometimes but not always including violence). Meanwhile communists are a subcategory of socialists who believe in the creation of a moneyless, classless, stateless utopian society as described by Karl Marx.
That’s like one month of US health insurance next year. Way more than worth it over being at the whims of some fuckhead corporation
DENTAL PLAN
Lisa needs braces!
Dental plan…
Good one lenny. Now I lost my train of thought.
(I probably butchered the line…)
In Australia, Union fees are tax deductible.
They don’t cost you anything in the end.
Thats not how tax deductions work.
That just means you’re not paying taxes on the income. It’s not like you get the entire $700 back in taxes, because your tax rate probably isn’t 100%. If you pay 30% in taxes, (no clue what you actually pay), writing off the $700 would simply mean you pay $210 less on your taxes.
Union dues aren’t an income.
You are allowed to deduct the money you spent on union dues from your income, thereby lowering your taxable income. So on that portion of income that you deducted, you don’t pay taxes. That’s how all deductions work.
The tax deduction is deducted from your taxable income, is what he said. His math checks out.
Explained differently: A union membership costing 700 only costs you 490, assuming your tax is 30% and that it is deductible where you live.
Meanwhile, the game console still costs 700.
I don’t know if tax deductible means the same thing in Australia, but they’re also deductible in Canada. That means that you don’t pay tax on the money you paid in dues, but you don’t get it back.
Explain how.
Wages can be exchanged for goods and services.
Unions can be exchanged for goods and services.
It’s a complicated concept but higher wages means you make more money.
No they don’t.
Source: a union-busting multinational faceless corporation that I’m a slave to
Many years ago I had to explain to a coworker how progressive taxation works. He was like “that’s a great idea! We should do that! It’s stupid that now your pay goes up but you take home less because you get taxed more”
I had to tell him, yes it is a good idea. It’s how it works now. You don’t get more pay and suddenly your whole income is taxed more.
He’d had no idea
I’ve literally heard coworkers mention the whole “I actually don’t want a raise because my taxes would go up and I’d make less” bullshit before. I do what I can to redirect them when I hear it, but some people are extremely dug into their worldview and don’t want to be helped. Like acknowledging a progressive tax rate would require acknowledging that their entire concept of income and taxation is built on a lie.
Higher whatsit? Huh? What are your taking about? These words don’t normally go together I don’t understand.
Tape the meme onto the poster
Well, you might get higher wages. Or the airline might either go under, or just fire everyone in the union thanks to at will employment.
If they could do that they wouldn’t try to get people to avoid unionizing. They still need people to work for them, regulations or no regulations.
