Na. It is impolite to stare. That’s not news. Doesn’t matter what the other person is or isn’t wearing. The one doing the behavior is responsible for their actions.
Well yea, I don’t think anyone is defending staring. They’re just pointing out the hypocrisy of the few who will do both the, “my eyes are up here” thing to glances and happily wear clothes that show off cleavage and/or curves.
While most individuals understand the mixed results of attraction, there are both hypocrites and some weird sometimes contradictory social norms that say it’s a problem.
No one is defending lechery. IMO it should be obvious that people should be allowed to be sexy whilst not implying any level of consent. To think otherwise is to not understand consent in the first place.
Although it should also be obvious that if you wear something out in public, you’re consenting to being viewed in what ever you’re wearing, too. Not that anyone should be staring or snapping pics, either. That’s impolite at best and probably some level of harassment too.
There are obvious boundaries both on what someone has to accept and what someone doesn’t have to accept.
I think it’s giving entirely too much credit to a commenter trying to justify being called out for staring.
Yeah, some people will overreact. That doesn’t mean you have to take it personally. I think the original commenter has skin that’s too thin and got hurt because someone told them they were doing something that made that person uncomfortable.
Just like people should understand that they’re going to be viewed by others in public, people should also understand that not everyone is going to react in the specific manner you want them to in all circumstances. If they got told off, as it were, get over it and move on. Don’t take it as a deep-seated societal problem they must rail against.
It’s not hypocrisy to act with emotion, it is however hypocrisy to criticize someone for acting emotionally when you defend your actions as emotional in nature.
In my opinion, if someone feels it’s impolite to stare, then to someone else it’s impolite to expose. It’s one of the most passive-agressive things to do, being angry at someone who stares when the exposure is intentional.
There’s a specific difference between staring and taking an admiring glance. The former is generally associated with objectification, the latter a shared appreciation. Knowing where that line is makes the difference.
A good chunk of the population is very challenged by such delicate social distinctions. Like upwards of a third. And even among the rest, everyone’s going to draw the line differently. These bright line rules you believe in don’t exist for most people.
Someone can have an attractive face, it’s still impolite to stare. You’re literally advocating that women wear burqas. Logically, if women don’t want to have their faces stared at by creepy men, they should have to cover their faces up.
Just because someone exposes a part of their body doesn’t give you permission to stare at it. It’s impolite to stare at someone’s face, at exposed tattoos, or exposed cleavage. Really it’s simply impolite to stare at anyone’s body.
Otherwise, I hope a really aggressive bear of a gay man joins your workplace and starts obsessively staring at you. If you don’t want him staring at your face obsessively all day, you can simply wear a mask.
And plenty of people would be offended that you chose this imagery as offensive.
As a straight guy with gay friends, I considered myself finally accepting (or maybe desperate) when I could take the attention of a gay guy as a compliment and be kind about redirecting them
Agreed. There’s a big difference between looking at and staring at. You can look at or glance briefly as long as you aren’t being a creep, both sides do it. The problem is when people stare or act creepy.
I mean its simple biology. If the shirts are low cut or tight or whatever it draws the eyes. Whether thats the result that was intended or not. Only way to fix it is have everyone be asexual or desexualize a woman’s chest. That would require a societal change.
I am calling bullshit here. This statement is true but the initial commentary is simply bullshit.
So just to be clear you police your friends doing that to men right? I get that shit a lot and they never seem to. Not ever (OK maybe a few but only the unattractive ones like they still have shame and like being attractive gives someone an all access pass to being hyper sexual oggling asshats…) Not at any public place basically where young women are.
Now im not a typically sexual person, I don’t stare (cause I really don’t care about that shit at all) and I don’t like playing ‘The Game’. And yet. It is crazy persistent now like everywhere. Like you look too much for it to be polite at all. Then look away and talk with friends while side eyeing me. Im looking cause I trained myself to pay attention to the people paying attention to me. Im not smiling at them or ‘sending signals’ not anything just noticing people looking. And im not muting that (and turning my ‘saftey’ off) so they can do all the mating ritual bullshit with me cause they like my eyes or fit or some shit.
Then they look extra. Then look away for a bit pretending they aren’t focused on that shit like some creeps do. Then wouldn’t you know, theyre ‘looking’, read staring creeping ect, even MORE and all under the pretense of “sending signals” same as the asshole men that are (justifiably) getting flack for that. But they’re feminine and look cute so it makes it okay? I get patriarchy and undertones of implied violence with males but it doesn’t make it okay to do without that. And I shouldn’t need to have to express irritation or something else to make it stop every fucking time it happens. (Its not my job for one, nor is it my prerogative to exhaust my social energy on that shit or having to fully feel shit emotional states so it can occur to them that there’s basic curtsey theyre clearly missing)
Same, as the asshole ‘men’ have done forever and are now being condemned for in every media form i see but for some reason they get a pass even though they should know better then anybody
Addressing it is debilitating… They do not take it well like they should, and if you have to say something? Ugh. They laugh it off like its the god damn funniest thing game in the damn world or apologize in a way that’s just fucking… Ugh disingenuous af or some other exhausting performative way. Like you should know this shit! “I wasn’t” mhmm. “mind your own business haha (I’m allowed didn’t you know that)”, dismissive bullshit. Your being weird leave us alone type feigning for their public type shit. Or they defend their pride by looking at you like you just became a sex offender or danger in their eyes cause “who doesnt want that kind of attention from me” all cause someone doesnt like their “Game” and that is horseshit and it is the same shameless and toxic shit that shitheel dudes did/do themselves when they try it and is kinda what this entire comic is based around and yet your defending the secondary sexual trait argument instead of seeking to see the nuances of what’s being said?
Fuck off with that shit. Women can be just as cowardly and baselessly sexual “if you dont want me to stare don’t show it off” as anybody else and always have just hid it more often as was expected of the "back in the day’ (trademark all rights reserved). Now its all reversed but still happening all the time.
In fact they are so enabled to do that in many places because of this kind of ritualistic excusing of/encouraging of the behavior by their peers without the checks of the anti-male-chauvinist movement that its still half as bad as it ever was. You should take the compliment. She’s cute bro why are you so mad!? (Even though im just expressing basic dislike of it calm like, not like i am right now) its always hella inflammatory defense mechanism bullshit when these girls get offended. Feigning shock and offense at the idea they could be the ‘bad guy’ cause instagrams and shit told them dudes love their hyper sexualized game playing bullshit and can’t help but like any of their attention. Its fucking lame as fuck and fuck it, abusive even IMO
He’s blank. He should bank. I’d let him blank. He’s got a nice blank. Like I’m supposed to respond well to that. Game game game. Fuck “game”. And fuck ‘the game’ while were at it. And fuck the shitty players of the game getting a pass cause were not sure how to shut that shit down yet.
Secondary characteristics. MY ASS is a secondary characteristic and yet your asses drool over it like you just accomplished something anywhere I fucking happen to be. And with some built in misandry fed absurdness that its a given they should be able to do that for some reason. Like fucking newfound lady predators that prey on the implied rules of society. Like yeah feminine and without the implication and undertones of violence or whatever but still bs (considering the ritual abuse of power and intended harm that goes with it when verbally or nonverbally denied [see whore, slut, fuck you bitch type guys to compare]) still stalker vibes, still emotionally abusive and manipulative bullshit. Like if you dont respond how i want ill hurt your rep, feels and or your dignity. Like they honestly don’t comprehend your a human person at all really. Real rules that universally apply. Do unto others as you would have done. Real fucking feelings not just the ones they want to acknowledge today. Real psychopathic shit. Cute and sweet like, innocent seeming. But cowardly all the same.
I don’t see you starring at them correctingly (and with a sense of kindred understanding of it being super bad behavior) like we do with men doing that clearly unwanted bullshit, even tho they’re friends or coworkers or family or whatever. Cause I deserve it or smthg for old people being pervs in the past? Cause you dont want to see yourself in the same light as men? Cause youve decided if they speak in this tone ever someones the bad guy automatically even tho you know better and it wasnt like that at all and you know it? Fuck yall for that thanks. Fuck you for being complicit in it. And fuck off for getting off on the idea that women power means you get to do me/us like that. Rant over.
And I’m still gonna be kinda mad about it but I wanted to get it out there before y’all lose the plot completely out there. And it’s not like your gonna see that kinda thing on youralls feed like fucking ever so yeah I’m putting it riiiight here today. Ignore it at your own pleasure. Its becoming a full problem fast here. And yeah unfair world for ladies in all kinds of ways, I get that, but yeah this needs some attention for fucking real
Obviously not right that minute, but people go off about it and go about their day with thoughts expressed and position organized and its better after (not like you actually give a shit of course)
Like literally every single other person
But hey I do hope you like it, your cowardly, passive aggressive, dismissive and (likely) infantilizing bullshit is exactly why this sort of commentary is necessary today. So get with the shame lady (or man i suppose 🤷)
Thanks for being a prime example of whats wrong with shit at the current societal junction though 👍
It helps me feel vindicated about this already ngl 😄
Na. It is impolite to stare. That’s not news. Doesn’t matter what the other person is or isn’t wearing. The one doing the behavior is responsible for their actions.
You can exploit this to make people bump into walls.
Just make sure they don’t have anywhere to look, except your breasts 😈
Well yea, I don’t think anyone is defending staring. They’re just pointing out the hypocrisy of the few who will do both the, “my eyes are up here” thing to glances and happily wear clothes that show off cleavage and/or curves.
While most individuals understand the mixed results of attraction, there are both hypocrites and some weird sometimes contradictory social norms that say it’s a problem.
“They were dressed all sexy like” isn’t an adequate justification for acting like a lecher. And we shouldn’t normalize it being so.
No one is defending lechery. IMO it should be obvious that people should be allowed to be sexy whilst not implying any level of consent. To think otherwise is to not understand consent in the first place.
Although it should also be obvious that if you wear something out in public, you’re consenting to being viewed in what ever you’re wearing, too. Not that anyone should be staring or snapping pics, either. That’s impolite at best and probably some level of harassment too.
There are obvious boundaries both on what someone has to accept and what someone doesn’t have to accept.
I think it’s giving entirely too much credit to a commenter trying to justify being called out for staring.
Yeah, some people will overreact. That doesn’t mean you have to take it personally. I think the original commenter has skin that’s too thin and got hurt because someone told them they were doing something that made that person uncomfortable.
Just like people should understand that they’re going to be viewed by others in public, people should also understand that not everyone is going to react in the specific manner you want them to in all circumstances. If they got told off, as it were, get over it and move on. Don’t take it as a deep-seated societal problem they must rail against.
It’s not hypocrisy to act with emotion, it is however hypocrisy to criticize someone for acting emotionally when you defend your actions as emotional in nature.
In my opinion, if someone feels it’s impolite to stare, then to someone else it’s impolite to expose. It’s one of the most passive-agressive things to do, being angry at someone who stares when the exposure is intentional.
There’s a specific difference between staring and taking an admiring glance. The former is generally associated with objectification, the latter a shared appreciation. Knowing where that line is makes the difference.
This whole thread is terrifyingly neurotypical. Simply look them dead in the eyes for an entire conversation.
A good chunk of the population is very challenged by such delicate social distinctions. Like upwards of a third. And even among the rest, everyone’s going to draw the line differently. These bright line rules you believe in don’t exist for most people.
Someone can have an attractive face, it’s still impolite to stare. You’re literally advocating that women wear burqas. Logically, if women don’t want to have their faces stared at by creepy men, they should have to cover their faces up.
Just because someone exposes a part of their body doesn’t give you permission to stare at it. It’s impolite to stare at someone’s face, at exposed tattoos, or exposed cleavage. Really it’s simply impolite to stare at anyone’s body.
Otherwise, I hope a really aggressive bear of a gay man joins your workplace and starts obsessively staring at you. If you don’t want him staring at your face obsessively all day, you can simply wear a mask.
And plenty of people would be offended that you chose this imagery as offensive.
As a straight guy with gay friends, I considered myself finally accepting (or maybe desperate) when I could take the attention of a gay guy as a compliment and be kind about redirecting them
Agreed. There’s a big difference between looking at and staring at. You can look at or glance briefly as long as you aren’t being a creep, both sides do it. The problem is when people stare or act creepy.
I mean its simple biology. If the shirts are low cut or tight or whatever it draws the eyes. Whether thats the result that was intended or not. Only way to fix it is have everyone be asexual or desexualize a woman’s chest. That would require a societal change.
I am calling bullshit here. This statement is true but the initial commentary is simply bullshit.
So just to be clear you police your friends doing that to men right? I get that shit a lot and they never seem to. Not ever (OK maybe a few but only the unattractive ones like they still have shame and like being attractive gives someone an all access pass to being hyper sexual oggling asshats…) Not at any public place basically where young women are.
Now im not a typically sexual person, I don’t stare (cause I really don’t care about that shit at all) and I don’t like playing ‘The Game’. And yet. It is crazy persistent now like everywhere. Like you look too much for it to be polite at all. Then look away and talk with friends while side eyeing me. Im looking cause I trained myself to pay attention to the people paying attention to me. Im not smiling at them or ‘sending signals’ not anything just noticing people looking. And im not muting that (and turning my ‘saftey’ off) so they can do all the mating ritual bullshit with me cause they like my eyes or fit or some shit.
Then they look extra. Then look away for a bit pretending they aren’t focused on that shit like some creeps do. Then wouldn’t you know, theyre ‘looking’, read staring creeping ect, even MORE and all under the pretense of “sending signals” same as the asshole men that are (justifiably) getting flack for that. But they’re feminine and look cute so it makes it okay? I get patriarchy and undertones of implied violence with males but it doesn’t make it okay to do without that. And I shouldn’t need to have to express irritation or something else to make it stop every fucking time it happens. (Its not my job for one, nor is it my prerogative to exhaust my social energy on that shit or having to fully feel shit emotional states so it can occur to them that there’s basic curtsey theyre clearly missing)
Same, as the asshole ‘men’ have done forever and are now being condemned for in every media form i see but for some reason they get a pass even though they should know better then anybody
Addressing it is debilitating… They do not take it well like they should, and if you have to say something? Ugh. They laugh it off like its the god damn funniest thing game in the damn world or apologize in a way that’s just fucking… Ugh disingenuous af or some other exhausting performative way. Like you should know this shit! “I wasn’t” mhmm. “mind your own business haha (I’m allowed didn’t you know that)”, dismissive bullshit. Your being weird leave us alone type feigning for their public type shit. Or they defend their pride by looking at you like you just became a sex offender or danger in their eyes cause “who doesnt want that kind of attention from me” all cause someone doesnt like their “Game” and that is horseshit and it is the same shameless and toxic shit that shitheel dudes did/do themselves when they try it and is kinda what this entire comic is based around and yet your defending the secondary sexual trait argument instead of seeking to see the nuances of what’s being said?
Fuck off with that shit. Women can be just as cowardly and baselessly sexual “if you dont want me to stare don’t show it off” as anybody else and always have just hid it more often as was expected of the "back in the day’ (trademark all rights reserved). Now its all reversed but still happening all the time.
In fact they are so enabled to do that in many places because of this kind of ritualistic excusing of/encouraging of the behavior by their peers without the checks of the anti-male-chauvinist movement that its still half as bad as it ever was. You should take the compliment. She’s cute bro why are you so mad!? (Even though im just expressing basic dislike of it calm like, not like i am right now) its always hella inflammatory defense mechanism bullshit when these girls get offended. Feigning shock and offense at the idea they could be the ‘bad guy’ cause instagrams and shit told them dudes love their hyper sexualized game playing bullshit and can’t help but like any of their attention. Its fucking lame as fuck and fuck it, abusive even IMO
He’s blank. He should bank. I’d let him blank. He’s got a nice blank. Like I’m supposed to respond well to that. Game game game. Fuck “game”. And fuck ‘the game’ while were at it. And fuck the shitty players of the game getting a pass cause were not sure how to shut that shit down yet.
Secondary characteristics. MY ASS is a secondary characteristic and yet your asses drool over it like you just accomplished something anywhere I fucking happen to be. And with some built in misandry fed absurdness that its a given they should be able to do that for some reason. Like fucking newfound lady predators that prey on the implied rules of society. Like yeah feminine and without the implication and undertones of violence or whatever but still bs (considering the ritual abuse of power and intended harm that goes with it when verbally or nonverbally denied [see whore, slut, fuck you bitch type guys to compare]) still stalker vibes, still emotionally abusive and manipulative bullshit. Like if you dont respond how i want ill hurt your rep, feels and or your dignity. Like they honestly don’t comprehend your a human person at all really. Real rules that universally apply. Do unto others as you would have done. Real fucking feelings not just the ones they want to acknowledge today. Real psychopathic shit. Cute and sweet like, innocent seeming. But cowardly all the same.
I don’t see you starring at them correctingly (and with a sense of kindred understanding of it being super bad behavior) like we do with men doing that clearly unwanted bullshit, even tho they’re friends or coworkers or family or whatever. Cause I deserve it or smthg for old people being pervs in the past? Cause you dont want to see yourself in the same light as men? Cause youve decided if they speak in this tone ever someones the bad guy automatically even tho you know better and it wasnt like that at all and you know it? Fuck yall for that thanks. Fuck you for being complicit in it. And fuck off for getting off on the idea that women power means you get to do me/us like that. Rant over.
And I’m still gonna be kinda mad about it but I wanted to get it out there before y’all lose the plot completely out there. And it’s not like your gonna see that kinda thing on youralls feed like fucking ever so yeah I’m putting it riiiight here today. Ignore it at your own pleasure. Its becoming a full problem fast here. And yeah unfair world for ladies in all kinds of ways, I get that, but yeah this needs some attention for fucking real
Are you okay?
Obviously not right that minute, but people go off about it and go about their day with thoughts expressed and position organized and its better after (not like you actually give a shit of course)
Like literally every single other person
But hey I do hope you like it, your cowardly, passive aggressive, dismissive and (likely) infantilizing bullshit is exactly why this sort of commentary is necessary today. So get with the shame lady (or man i suppose 🤷)
Thanks for being a prime example of whats wrong with shit at the current societal junction though 👍
It helps me feel vindicated about this already ngl 😄
So, no, not even a little. It’s okay, you can work your shit out screaming into the void in my direction - I’ve got thick skin.
(I’m kidding, your ass is about to be blocked. Have a nice life.)
Mhmm, tick tock on that clock, this bullshit has got a limited lifespan, no one cares about your circus but your clown ass and others like you
Good luck being not a dopey coward about it when your granddaughter is embarrassed of your fake ass life lady✌