I think they are meant for people to believe they do something so they’ll feel better and wait. I used to walk a lot and encounter lots of crosswalk with buttons and I got used to how fast I should go in order to catch green every time and I could predict when the next crosswalk was going to turn green. If they truly worked then they should have been out of sync. I never pushed the buttons and I saw the light turning green even though no one pushed the button, if the buttons worked then why would the light turn green?
I also asked gemini about this and he said I’m not going insane, strange because I never mentioned if I was insane or not, but good to know I’m not.
Maybe some buttons work and other don’t depending on where it is?
yes, unless they’e broken. some will wait until the next natural cycle of the lights, depending on timing (rush, non-rush).
Years ago, the buttons in my town were simple things that gave no feedback, and many of them were broken and stayed broken.
Just about all of them have been upgraded to buttons that beep and flash when you push them. It’s very obvious when those break, and so the buttons are now maintained much better.
I’ve seen all kinds.
Some will instantly change the lights and give cars a red.
Some will trigger the lights after a period of time - maybe synced to another traffic light, or a timer so it doesn’t change too quickly/often.
Some won’t actually cause the lights to change any sooner, but pressing the button will cause the chirping sound to play for people with visual impairments when the light finally changes.
And sometimes they’re broken and trigger the lights even when nobody pushed it. Those are fun when you’re driving a car.
Their behaviour is programmed based on the characteristics of the intersection. If it’s a very lopsided one where one direction has heavy traffic and the other very little, then the button might trigger a light change.
Other times, the light timing doesn’t change, but the button will trigger the crosswalk to indicate walk after the next change.
Other behaviours I’ve seen is it changing the advance green/left turn signal, or showing the walk symbol while all traffic is stopped.
And then I’ve seen a few that do appear to do absolutely nothing - but that doesn’t mean that’s the case. For example, an intersection might have a button that only does something at night when there’s very little traffic, but doesn’t during the day when the intersection is constantly busy.
The buttons in my town make the lights last longer so you can cross safely in a decent amount of time instead of having to run.
I don’t know that they affect the timing of the traffic lights, but I know that some of them won’t change to the “walk” signal if nobody pushed the button.
That’s the reason why they are commonly called Bettelampeln (“begging lights”) here in Germany, as you have to basically beg to even be considered as traffic participant sometime during the next cycle.
Yeah, I have forgotten to.press and never get the walk sign.
Also, I have been driving through the university of St Louis area a lot recently and there is a crosswalk there that is just for pedestrians crossing, with a light. You press it, and the light turns red stopping traffic so everyome can cross.
This is usually also tied to timing, just not in the sense people hammering the button to cross the street faster want. Without pushing the button, the lights will change based on car availability. Pushing the button often won’t get the light to change sooner, but it will likely stay longer to allow for people to cross the street.
It may have done that regardless due to traffic patterns, but the button guarantees it has a minimum safe crossing time.
Depends on the location. Some places the lights turn to walk at regular intervals no matter what, the button only activates the beeping. But in my city the crosswalks never say walk unless someone pressed the button first.
Same thing with elevators. The door close button only works in a fraction of elevators.
The elevator thing is interesting.
At first, you just would think it works on a delay.
People notice that they don’t really do anything. Rumor spreads that the buttons aren’t even wired.
Eventually I remember coming across an article that explained most of the time it’s a glitch. The button is telling it to close, but there’s some kind of timing limitation that means the auto-close just happens first.
But yeah, for both I’m sure there’s a lot of variation.
I think some are time-of-day based also, running automatically at busy times and switching to manual at off hours.
if you’re blind or hard of hearing? absolutely.
Depends on where you are. The ones near me actually do something. The pedestrian lights do not change to Walk unless a button is pushed.
In many cases, it activates the crossing signal for the entire intersection as well. As in, traffic will stop in all directions and you as a pedestrian can cross diagonally without issue.
It might depend on the time of day.
Many of this begging-buttons are only active during times of low pedestrian frequency where I live, during other times the lights just turn green each time during the overall traffic light cycle.
Might also depend on other factors, the traffic lights are individually programmed to fit the specific needs at each location.I donno. I walked at all times of the day and saw the same thing, same intervals.
Maybe they are really not active, in which case you might just be happy about it.
Thing is, in practically all cases I know of, the buttons having an actual function worsens the situation for pedestrians.
They don’t give you an advantage if you press them compared to the regular cycle, but give you substantial disadvantages for not pressing (being not even considered, pedestrian light just stays red forever…)
If it’s a busy intersection, chances are you’re only allowed to cross when the cars get switched to go in parallel to you.
If it’s a normal street, but still with a high volume of pedestrians, then there’s likely a sensor to detect waiting pedestrians. Also depends on how new the traffic light installation is and how much the municipality spends on this.
I think, the sensor also allows detecting the number of pedestrians waiting, so they can speed it up.If it’s a street where pedestrians only cross sporadically or an old installation, then the button is likely to work and that you have to press it to ever be allowed to cross. Running a sensor all day just isn’t worth it.
Obviously, the specifics depend on the region, but I feel like these are rules of thumb that make sense pretty much everywhere…
Every municipality is different.
Some do nothing except beep and vibrate for visually impaired people. That style, try holding it down for 3 seconds. When you get the walk sign you should get audio and tactile feedback.
Some lights will not change to walk unless you press the button. Some only exhibit the behaviour at night.
Here’s a video of Nic Laporte studying them in Vancouver, BC, and here we have Bike ones in addition to standard pedestrian ones.
Some of them work. What really annoys me is when there’s an induction loop for cars that makes the traffic light change faster.
What really annoys me is when there’s an induction loop for cars
Those only annoy me when on a bike, as they often are not sensitive enough to realize you are there.
This led to many annoying and one somewhat funny situation:I was first in line at a at a the time busy turn lane with hidden induction loop, and inadvertently bringing the traffic in the district to a grinding halt as the cars behind me started rapidly pilling up, even blocking the previous intersection.
After 5 or 6 minutes fruitless waiting things started working again when I finally decided to convert to bicycle-pushing pedestrian mode to cross the intersection on foot instead, and the car behind me moving up then activated the induction loop that I didn’t knew about until then…
Never had a problem with them on a bicycle, the induction loops are usually visible, just make sure to properly cross them. Maybe the material of the bicycle makes a difference, mine is steel.
The bike with which I had problems at my workplace had an aluminium frame.
The one at the blockaded turning lane already was my new steel bike, though.But I guess the amount of ferromagnetic metal does make a difference nonetheless.
Here in Germany the induction loops are paved over with regular asphalt, so without a sign reminding them of their presence, you won’t notice them.
I’ve had success laying my bike on it’s side so the sensor can pick it up.
For this to consider, you have to know there is a induction loop present in the first place.
While many have a sign beside them, others don’t (e.g. the one of my tale).
Had another unmarked one activating the moving entrance barrier at my former workplace.
First time standing there I got really irritated, as I didn’t find a way to open the barrier for me, until realizing the thing with the induction loop. After that, laying my bike down for a second became my every-morning-ritual before work ;-)
As others have said, it depends on location. Where I live in the US, the crosswalk won’t turn green for pedestrians unless the button was pushed. If it’s an intersection where traffic primarily flows on one street, and the traffic lights only change when the occasional car from the other street, the traffic light will never tell traffic to stop, and your crosswalk will never turn green. You have to push the button to signal the lights to change.
Alls I can say is that they do near me. There is definately a difference between pushing it and not on an empty street. Now I think it has no more effect than a car sensor being activated though outside of the walk sign.
Depends on what features they have and how they are set up.
Where I live there are a few very different setups.
Some crosswalks have no buttons and automatically activate each times the lights cycle on a set pattern.
Some have a button and if you press it the cross traffic light will most likely change on avout 30 seconds and you will be able to cross. If you press it immediately after it chsnges back you have to wait a couple minutes, but not a long time.
One that I use doesn’t change the stoplight rotation but pressing the button is necessary for the crosswalk light to come on and it keeps cross traffic from getting a green light as fast as when the crosswalk isn’t used. The intersection used to stop cross traffic when you pushed the button and I have no idea why they changed it.
I wish designers would realize pedestrians are not going to wait a full cycle to cross and often all pedestrian lights are doing is holding up traffic for people who have already crossed.
…but i like holding up traffic for people who have already crossed the street
I still hit the button out of spite. Sometimes even if I’m not crossing.
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