During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”

“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”

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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.

“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”

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    Is the person in the rainbow mask a leftist? Has this turned into something like the Iranian revolution where the right wing was joined by some leftists?

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    This makes my blood boil. While I appreciate the resistance the filmers showed, their response could have been better.

    First and foremost, they should have dialed 9-1-1. “There is a group of masked and armed men assaulting and kindnapping a man off the street! They are trying to pull him into a black sedan with tinted windows! Send police now!”

    After that, let them know in no uncertain terms that fascist pieces of shit are not welcome here. Call them out on their un-American actions

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      I’m glad you asked. We’re seriously thinking about arming the children. Only semi auto for the kids though and teachers get full auto. Cops will just carry grenade launchers and rockets now, for their safety. That should finally take care of the school shooting problem. We tried arming the cops and putting them in schools, but that just created a soiled underpants problem and didnt save any kids at all.

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      I’m still waiting for the trial, where I’ve agents were gunned down for self defense.

      and there will be a trial regarding the right to defend yourself from masked unidentified gangs kidnapping people.

      if the decision goes against fascist ideals, then the Supreme court will intervene. and the 2A nuts will suck fash cock and celebrate that it’s bad to raise against a tryranic government.

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      “🎶Land of the free, home of the brave🎵”

      Feeling brave and free enough to stop a rapist, racist, paedo nazi from overtaking your country yet?
      Or are you going to carry on waiting for someone else to do something?

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        I love these posts because they never say exactly how to fix the situation.

        Dude, if you could give me a step by step way to actually do it, I’d do it. I think we all would. You wanna sound all big and bad, but if you were over here, you’d be just as useless as the rest of us.

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          Thats a fair point.

          If I were in America I wouldn’t be taking up arms.

          I think i would be joining protests at work opportunity, to the point where it would have an impact on my employment and home life.

          I acknowledge that loads of you are already doing that. Commenters like yourself probably are, but the vast majority of Americans are not.

          Regardless, I sometimes make comments similar to the one you’re replying to. I think some of it comes from decades of being told that America somehow has the best kind of freedom and personal liberty. Again, I acknowledge its the right usually making those claims.

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      Who needs guns when you have memes and twitter, I mean x a platform owned by one of the enemies that people still use. /S

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    “ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”

    It’s agents also need to be arrested, and put on a trial.

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    These guys are total pussies. Either shoot them or unmask them. They are already on camera so swarm them and pull down a few masks. Once you ID a few of them publicly, the rest will drop like flies.

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      And lose your jobs, your homes, and your freedom in the process as you get prosecuted for assaulting federal agents where the authorities have an incentive to make an example out of you to deter future incidents.

      I’m not expecting the world to change from holding hands and singing hymns, but insulting people (who already started confronting them instead of just pretending not to see) for not sacrificing more than I’d have to seems rather narrow-minded to me.

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          If this continues unopposed, yes, but asking individuals in specific situations to sacrifice their own lives without an organized community does not sound reasonable to me.

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            Considering the mass surveillance well underway, the window to organize effectively has already closed. Doing so puts you in as much danger unmasking an agent and in this scenario they will just slap the terrorism label on it and that’s the end of the conversation.

            It’s preferable to mass organize but it’s too late now. Keep fighting. We are going to lose but we are going to make this as difficult and expensive as possible anyway. They don’t get to be comfortable.

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                Yes, it does, but only the survivors benefit from its collapse. What makes you so confident that you will survive when many others will not?

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        Then do it in a big enough group that they wont dare prosecute you and show how many people opposed them, or try to isolate you and show how weak they are.

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          Making large groups of people that all agree with you spontaneously appear at a location is typically not super easy.

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              Unfortunately, a large percentage of the voting population seems to support them, which is part of how we got here in the first place. The best argument for a free and open democracy is what happens with any of the alternatives, but people have a tendency to forget, and opportunists are great at using difficult times to garner support.

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      No one wants to shoot anyone. We’re not murderers. So here we are, needing to think of some other way, and no one has ideas.

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        Healthy people don’t WANT to murder people. But we are being backed into a corner. Are you willing to die for decorum or fight?

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      Maybe this time we hang all of the confederates and not let any live so this shit doesnt happen again?

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        Agreed. As seen with my nation and Germany, the Confederates and Nazis went on to raise Klanners and Stormfronters. ICE should be trialed and executed as a class, else they will escape the justice that they deserve. It isn’t kind, but necessary.

        They chose to embrace evil, and should die because of the sins they have earned.

        Apparently, the Nuremberg trials executed less than 210 Nazis. Considering how many Jews and other peoples have been slaughtered, that is a bullshit result. Trial by individual isn’t sufficient for institutionalized war crimes.

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          Absolutely. There is a movie about a housekeeper during the holocaust who hid Jews in the basement of the commander’s house she worked in. When he eventually found out, she bargained with him, said she would be his mistress if he would say nothing and let them live.

          After the war, when the dust settled, the commander was turned away by his wife and children for sheltering the Jews, and it was the Jews themselves he had allowed to live who took him in.

          There were many people living everyday lives that had drank the coolaid and saw the extermination of the Jews as absolutely necessary and considered anyone who disagreed a traitor. Those people went on to raise children and teach them that sick way of thinking.

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            I find it disturbing that the 11 million other people killed in the camps are so seldom mentioned. A reasonable person who watched US media and wasnt interested in history might reasonably assume only 6 million jews died. Not 17 million human beings total. Anyone know the breakdown of the other 11 million without looking it up? No one knows.

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            Honestly, it sucks that execution of ICE as a class has to be considered: it isn’t unlike the cruelty they inflict on people who didn’t deserve to be abused nor killed.

            That is where the distinction lies: deservedness.

            Advocating for almost the same thing is icky. I cannot be said to be innocent, for supporting this method to end the madness. 😞

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              If they can commit heinous acts for the Greater Evil why can’t we do a fraction of it for the Greater Good?

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              The difference comes down to who makes up the class. What criteria is used. In this case it is personal choices that landed them on it, so I really don’t see anything morally wrong here.

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    Bigotry and lack of decency ruined the country but it was already ruined it was built on blood repe and kidnapping and forced labor

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    Juvenile. Pissed off that someone might hold them accountable. Not much these people hate more than oversight and someone getting in the way of their violence.

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    ICE is becoming a paramilitary organization, Trump’s personal army. It isn’t really fulfilling its supposed role for which it was created in the first place.

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              Sadly that war is a meat grinder for both sides. Just the ruling class of Russia and the ruling class of the West throwing working class bodies at their useless wars.

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      Right!? It was supposed to be a paramilitary organization that harassed, assaulted, disappeared, and murdered people crossing the border. SMH truly lost their way…

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      It absolutely is fulfilling the role it was created for. It’s just not fulfilling the role that it was stated to be created for.

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      Critics have been saying that about the ICE for over 2 decades. It’s a force that doesn’t adhere to congress but instead only the president, it operates without oversight or courts issuing their warrants. It’s literally the modern Gestapo.

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    ICE is a terrorist organization, but if they aren’t going to abolish it then we need to abolish ICE members. One by one by one.