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    Cute, but of course it’s fake, a ‘feel-good’ post for the left. Some of the phrasing (‘we see you’, ‘Sit down’, etc) exposes this as someone on the left impersonating a magat. MAGA simply does not talk like that.

    Look at the profile and timeline. It’s all anti-trump, anti-repub stuff, just done in a way to sound like coming from a conservative POV. No posts bashing Democrats which a real maga account would definitely have.

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    These people still have no ability for self reflection. They refuse to see they were bamboozled by a con man, that them loosing all their friends and family should have been the sign they needed to reevaluate, but their “lord and saviour” told them what they wanted to hear and their smiling glad hands just ate it all up like WE were the crazy ones. Yes dear, the stranger on the TV that wants your money has your best interests in mind, not your sister/brother/BFF.

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    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be Compassionate! She THOUGHT that by Electing Trump ONLY Trans and Brown kids would be Hurt! She NEVER Thought Jesus Trump would go after WHITE People too! Be NICE!

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    Translation:

    I am personally being affected by my choices, and no one will help me because I am a terrible, selfish person who chose to ignore everyone telling me to stop, and now they’ve washed their hands of me and I’m all alone and scared. Waaaaaaaaaaaa 😭

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    Calling it the Epstein Shutdown is gold.

    She’s an absolute mark, truly gullible, likely extremely racist and afraid of everything.

    The problem with cases like this is often they still only vote republican because the scariest things to them (gay people, brown people) are always gonna be the scary people.

    The best somebody like this will do is not vote. Keep in mind how dumb this person is and the fact she probably has a pile of guns.

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      You believed this post was real and are slinging the word gullible around?

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        I had a coworker who was past retirement age and complaining about how trump shorted social security promises in his “big beautiful bill”. He still loves trump I guess. Idk he’s since been laid off since then so no idea how he feels now but its close enough to this bullshit.

        People who love trump are currently upset at him for various reasons but I don’t forsee them ever not loving trump.

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      Keep in mind how dumb this person is and the fact she probably has a pile of guns.

      i feel like this is a strange correlation. one of the smartest people i know is a licensed gunsmith. he has more guns than Jesus Christ (vampire hunter, esq.) and is further left than me.

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        I’m rather saying “they let people this crazy buy guns” and wouldn’t it be nice if folks had to fill out a few more forms to get a gun license or something.

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    I think I might have cancer from reading some of the responses. And then clicking through to their profiles.

    It’s truly astounding the things these people believe.

    And they believe the same things about us.

    We have an actual war on truth and objective facts in this country, and it’s being waged by billionaires that control the narrative to pit us against each other. American media is a goddamn propaganda farm run by a dozen or so Goebbels.

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      I agree with what you said, but I’m like 5% worried you might be referring to “leftist propaganda”.

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          In today’s political climate, Leftist propaganda isn’t a threat. It’s irrelevant.

          I say this as someone who firmly believes in capitalism and limited government.

          Fascism is the only threat that matters right now.

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          Oh it absolutely does, but nowhere near the volume as rightist propaganda.

          Literally all of the major news channels are owned by conservative billionaires now. And a substantial amount of newspapers. They bought your local TV news, too…and in doing so they bought your trust.

          Every time I click on a conservative news source, there are half-truths, lies through omission and/or emotional language in an active voice. All the news channels have talking heads scream-talking in an elevated, authoritative voice and have banners run across the bottom in all caps as if it’s yelling at you. It wants your attention, and it wants you to think it’s important and scary.

          These are age-old tactics of yellow journalism. Does it happen in leftist news? Sure, sometimes. Not nearly the same level.

          The problem is, generally speaking, the full story with whole-facts is damning to the right. So they keep only the news that works for them.

          If this wasn’t obvious by the time Kellyanne Conway got up on Meet The Press and told us about “Alternative Facts”, then it should’ve been by the time Trump talked about Haitians eating pet dogs on the debate stage.

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          I think there’s only a small handful of leftists in American politics at all, and that their propaganda apparatus would be small, if it exists at all. Maybe centrist, neoliberal propaganda, but leftist? Where?

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    I frequently chat with my neighbor who is a Q-class Trumper. Over the past year, I’ve been able to observe the leopards licking his face as if I were filming a nature documentary in 4k. We actually get along great. I like having a window into whatever inane, batshit information he consumes, and he really enjoys my company, as I don’t outwardly judge him, and I listen. Naturally, he’s on disability and dependent upon the state. As such, he’s running low on funds and needs to move in a couple months.

    We had elections this past week in my state. I told him that I voted, and he offered up some excuses as to why he can’t make it to the polls. We tend not to directly discuss politics, because I told him a long time back that I’m still salty about Bernie. Deep down, he knows that we don’t align, but he doesn’t want to rock the boat. I give his pets treats. I give him treats. He occasionally mentions various religion-based conspiracies and alludes to looming conflict and the criminality of the left, but he’s become more mum on this front. I think, the gears may be turning in his head.

    I don’t have any grand insights with which to conclude my anecdote. I give the guy a 30-70 chance of rediscovering reality. But, by being nice to the dude, I do think his chances are much better than they would be had I ignored him the past few years.

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      But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them. In your case, it sounds like they are right on the border of realizing this. It just sucks that this is what it takes for them to even consider this.

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        It’s tragic, yes. But, don’t underestimate the effects of propaganda, repeat exposures that dwarf my face time with the guy. He doesn’t have my range of experience. He’s just a lonely, 50-something man that’s had more negative than positive experiences in life. He has tunnel vision.

        In my mind, he’s responsible for his choices and frame-of-mind. But that’s not going to stop me from sharing my perspective without confronting or proselytizing. Insecurity is a mother fucker.

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          Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.

          I was raised white Christian nationalist, although we didn’t call it that and I wouldn’t have realized that’s what I was. I was taught all the conservative bullshit, both politically and socially. Thankfully there was always a part of me that was like “something isn’t right here” and I kept my mouth shut and was never the bully going around mouthing off to gay kids or minorities, but I definitely thought things like “being gay is a choice” and “poor people should just work harder” and “abortion is something welfare queens do” but also “welfare queens have lots of babies for more money”.

          Being around people like you who were nonjudgmental and just talked about their point of view and occasionally gently challenged my beliefs without being confrontational opened my worldview and helped give me the courage to listen to the voice in my head that was saying something felt wrong with the belief system I was raised in. I’d always been taught things like liberals were stupid and lacked critical thinking skills and acted solely on emotions and I was young and kept in a bubble and was dumb enough to believe it until I started meeting people who proved otherwise. That was enough to start the cracks forming that eventually shattered the entire wall of lies. I’m now a raging socialist and I don’t care how people live their lives as long as they aren’t harming anyone else. I don’t think I would have ended up that way if I wasn’t someone who is willing to think for myself and who isn’t afraid to be the “black sheep”, because leaving that mindset lost me my family, but I definitely wouldn’t have ever been able to start down the path I’m on if I was never exposed to people like you who started showing me the lies in the first place.

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            Kudos man. Happy to hear that. It’s tough to assemble a cogent world view when the people closest to you muddy the waters by tugging emotional hooks. I’ve been there.

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            Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.

            100%. Honestly more than anything were suffering a large scale collapse of community. First, the highway system and cars came in and carved up large-scale communities. Everyone riding around in their own personal pods, not having to interact with anyone else.

            Then the internet comes in, allowing anyone and everyone to find material that conforms and confirms their biases. Forget about going out and touching grass. Has anyone spent any actual time in an average day brushing elbows with hundreds of strangers and holding casual conversations. Nothing stops stupid behaviors faster than being judged by the community around you.

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        But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them.

        Yeah. I’ve been considering that it’s a bit like the difference between empirical and theoretical physicist.

        The theoretical physicist uses models of how the world works to make predictions about the outcome of experiments. The empirical physicist has to do experiments to believe it. It’s kinda the same for people in politics.

        Some people can predict what outcome certain policies are going to have. Others have to figure it out experimentally.

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        People who are below average intelligence take a lot longer time process new information and tend to hang onto myths much longer than smart people. Smart people can adapt to new information whereas these folks just can’t. They are susceptible to being gaslit because they can’t think critically. Personally, I don’t think people below a certain intelligence level should be permitted to vote.

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          I’m going to disagree with you a bit here. I’ve seen first hand when intelligent people use all their additional cognitive ability to create rationalizations and pseudo-logical interpretations of questionable facts to avoid challenging their own assumptions. It takes a good dose of humility/integrity to admit that you were wrong and be willing to change course. That’s not a feature of intelligence, at least not in the realm where it is typically measured.

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      You may not realize it but you’re humanizing “the left” for him. Its probably keeping him somewhat grounded.

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        Heh, oh I do realize that. I’d not say I’m being strategic, but I am being intentional. One of the reasons I chose to live where I currently do is to expose myself to that subset of the population. I don’t have a car, and one of the (internalized) benefits is creating opportunity to chat with a broad spectrum of people. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m tooting my own horn, but I consider myself to be a student of perspective. Many years ago, after university, I joined the Peace Corps. I have direct experience building relationships with folks whose beliefs blind them. I just find it tragic that we seem to be careening toward conflict when it’s all so eminently avoidable. So, I try to spread a little grassroots goodwill.

        I’d add, I wish that we in America had some form of compulsory or strongly-encouraged foreign service not related to war.

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          First of all, i don’t think you’re tooting your own horn, you juuust stated you don’t have a car! So its unlikely you happen to have a horn lying about…


          Intentional is a good description, but from what i read i want to add sincerity. Thats important, especially in a world of grift and propaganda.

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      “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” – H. L. Mencken

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    I can excuse racism and pedophilia, but my financial wellbeing is where I draw the line!

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      If more people actually worked like this, we’d have fewer issues. Rightwing policies are absolutely terrible for working class people, and workers far outnumbers the groups that would benefit financially from these policies (even when the people in power are somewhat more reasonable than Trump and don’t sacrifice the entire economy for their insider trading schemes).

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      Man, I mean, that kind of is the ugly truth, isn’t it? Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia if it means there’s a shot at personal gain. I’m not surprised, really, just wholly disgusted.

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        I know right? The dude said “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything” and ”I moved on her like a bitch.”

        When I heard that during his first campaign, I thought he was done, no one could possibly accept such deplorable behavior, right?

        …and here we are.

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      In the best scenario this is a wedge in what they believe. “If he lied about this… is he lying too about the rest?”

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        He has lied about so much and been proven wrong, so sadly I doubt anyone will take that away from this

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    I would have welcomed reformed Trumpers back into polite society prior to the 2024 election. But seriously, to anyone who flips NOW: fuck you. I’m glad you finally woke up or whatever, but fuck you for putting us in this situation.

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    It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to enslave a people that wants to remain free.

    only they can free themselves from the chains they put on themselves.

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    “I thought I could get through this without using my Critical Thinking Skills because thinking is HARD, but now you forced me to actually use my brain, and I DON’T LIKE IT! I WANT TO BE STUPID!”