Here we go again,apple gets another feature that’s been on the market for years and normies will cry innovation yet again.
That is literally a Pixel Fold
There are a few people that Apple would love to delete from the face of the planet.
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who’s consistently divulging Apple’s plans, is one. TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who is always sharing information based on his supply chain checks, is high up on the list, too.
Apple uses Gurman for controlled leaks to build hype. He hasn’t been sued yet.
But YouTuber Jon Prosser is public enemy number one that Apple is trying to truly silence. And for good reason: the man who Apple sued in July for leaking iOS 26 and Liquid Glass keeps spoiling Apple’s unreleased products with high-quality 3D renders in his videos
Now Prosser, Apple definitely doesn’t use him for leaks since he is being sued. He’s just an idiot.
I would like a feature where you fold an iphone into a linux phone.
Gonna need to ask santa for that next year ;) you juuust missed the cutoff.
I’m quietly praying a certain launch goes so we’ll we see a steam phone eventually.
I like the idea of a foldable phone but what I really want is a phone that folds enough to fit in my women’s pants pockets.
The other solution is to make women’s pants with pockets that can actually hold things.
They do, they’re just not skin tight. You can’t really fit much into a pocket in super tight jeans.
Yes and no… Women do complain about a lack of pockets, while simultaneously buying pants that physically don’t have room for pockets.
But on the other side of the same coin, women’s heavy duty cargo pants have smaller interior pockets too. Like the exterior pouch pockets may be the same/equivalent size, but the main front and back pockets are often still tiny. There’s no real way to rationalize that or blame women for it, because that’s the entire point of the pants, and there is 100% enough room for larger pockets in those baggier pants.
And no, they often can’t just buy men’s pants, because the cut is very different. Guys tend to have narrower hips and wider waists. Women wearing men’s pants will tend to have the waistband fit (but can’t get their hips into them) or be able to get their hips into the pants (but then need to cinch down the waist by a ridiculous and uncomfortable amount). Women’s pants tend to have more hip room and narrow waistbands, to account for that.
Even jeans that aren’t skin tight don’t have full pockets.
inconceivable!
Or perhaps just get a pair of pants that doesn’t suck? Designing a phone around womens complete lack of self awareness seems not so good, it’s way to volatile.
I can see you don’t spent much time with women.
Women aren’t choosing pants with shitty pockets intentionally.
That’s the result of women choosing it over and over again…If women got to their senses and actually started NOT buying that junk, what do you think all the big mega corps producing tons and tons of clothes will do? Continue producing same shit clothes or adapting the factories to new, more reasonable clothes?
Wait your pants have pockets and they’re not vestigial
Most of them are. I can really only carry things in back pockets, but then it makes sitting awkward.
As if a foldable mobile was some kind of industry super secret anyway. Apple is a joke.
The biggest problem with these is the price. Apple wants us on a two year upgrade cycle but these phones are $1500-2000. That’s insane.
Apple was actually the first to offer several years of software updates and usually their hardware has been very durable. The 1-2 year upgrade cycle on Apple was only ever for stupid clout chasers who think it matters if you have the latest. Among regular Apple users, keeping a phone for years isn’t uncommon.
Still wouldn’t buy one of these because I don’t want my phone to fold. I want a new iPhone mini. And ideally a Mini Pro.
I’m not sure if it’s possible but a mini pro but with good battery life would be the ultimate phone for me personally. I’m basically always on my feet but use my phone a lot so a large battery is important, but I also want a small phone and a good camera. I doubt that’ll happen though.
He says potentially 2000-2500 for this one.
I just bought a 1-year-old phone I really like for $120
I mean, do they even have a case against them? It’s not like they stole the information, or signed a contract with Apple.
Also, fuck Apple, and Google, and the rest of them. If they can’t keep a lid on their “secrets”, that’s on them.
I’m focusing on the lawsuit part, because IDGAF about new phones.
Breakthrough technology, never seen before in the mobile market. Apple, like always, surprises the word with the latest never seen before tech that will become mainstream in the near future, thanks to apple and its affordable pricing for everyday customers.
Now just slap that 2,5-3k RRP on the device and let it sell out in.
Apple’s entire history as an org has been as a fast follower, not a first mover.
The Apple Newton is a great example of why they avoid being a first mover.
They’ve also become really, really good at outsourcing R&D to other companies. This lets them outsource the expense of trial and error, and swoop down with a mature product once everyone else has paid for it.
15 years ago they famously patented, and then leaked that they were working on a fingerprint reader authentication method, and then they watched the Android manufacturers bend over backwards to implement it so they could say they did it “first.” In those early days of smartphones, being first to implement something and then claiming Apple copied it was a big deal for people who wanted to be first movers (today they are called “techbros”). Motorola Mobility ate the cost of R&D, was never able to recoup the costs, and ended up being sold to Google for their patent portfolio. By the time Apple released Touch ID two and a half years later, Motorola Mobility was a shell of itself, and ended up being sold a second time to Lenovo.
Foldable phones have been a thing for a while, and Apple just sat back and took notes on what everyone else was doing. Surface Duo killed Microsoft’s last attempt at a mobile device. Now it’s a relatively mature market (we have tri-fold phones for two years now and tablets that fold into a laptop with a bluetooth keyboard) and now Apple will swoop in and bring the rest of the market.
The money isn’t in being a first mover; it’s in making a reliable product that everyone can use. It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that Apple made a trillion dollars while OpenBSD (upstream for a lot of Apple’s ecosystem) struggled to pay its light bills.
They will “swoop in” like they did with the vr headset, that was dead on arrival.
Generally true - but multitouch was a real innovation. I’m not familiar with other manufacturers perfecting touch interfaces AND design paradigms optimized for it.
“fast” follower? Are we talking about the same apple who just released 2006’s windows Vista aero theme as a new design in 2025?
The UI lead just left the company within the last couple of months. Reports are the staff is overjoyed at that news. A lot of turnover in their leadership this past year, actually. Feels like this may be a new chapter coming up for the company. Rumor is Tim Apple may retire next year.
Oh that’s fun, maybe they will try innovation again
Apple usually prefers to do it right rather than do it first.
You’re holding it wrong
We’re slowing down your phone on purpose… for your own good
We have to use a proprietary cable to protect our users from their own stupidity
The issue with the second one was their failure to notify users about the throttling. It is a decent solution for an end of life battery to throttle the device to prevent crashes.
Yeah I have zero qualms with my phone running slower if it means it doesn’t randomly reboot. That was the whole reason why Apple implemented it in the first place.
I suggest checking out the recent episode of version history by the verge about the iPhone 4. Antennagate was extraordinarily overblown and didn’t result in dropped calls, it was almost an entirely UI based issue with the bar calculation algorithm. Jobs also never said you’re holding it wrong that is missattributed quote.
As for the slowing of phones it was necessary to preserve battery life and health though they should have told people about it. Very few people would take the trade off of significantly degraded battery life for a slightly higher clock speed.
As for the proprietary connection, when lightning was introduced it was miles ahead of the usb consortium in terms of speeds and features. If they hadn’t held on to it for so long I think people would be more fond toward it. But it was certainly better than micro b.
You’re not going to be able to break through a lot of peeps Apple hate on Lemmy, it’s almost as strong as the Microsoft hate.
Apple is what we call “Sondermüll”.
Assuming he’s right (and boy, being sued by apple is a huge boost to his credibility), they’re keeping the stupid camera bump thing from the air???
It does not surprise me that the Air is literally the folding phone without the second screen.
It slightly does me, given that the Air was (apparently) a huge commercial flop. You’d think they’d revisit the soundly mocked design instead of recycling it, or at least change it? The renders may very well be overstating it, of course, but still it’s an odd feature to carry over.
It was a flop because no one really wants thinner phones, they are harder to use. The iPhone Air was also extremely overpriced and missing basic features a phone a quarter of the price has.
Yes, those are all great points that make up a good portion of why they should probably revisit the design.
Or maybe stop trying to make expensive electronics as thin as possible.
Thin is fine. But you should use that newly free space for a bigger battery. It fits better in people’s hands that way too.
Exactly, and it’s easier to make them user serviceable that way too.
I’ve never understood the desire to make $1k+ electronics super thin, but then again I step on things a lot. I guess the fragility could be a form of planned obsolescence.
The camera bump sure isn’t going away for a folding phone. cameras have fundamental volume requirements to maintain quality, if they don’t think they can justify making the normal iPhone thick enough to enclose the camera then there’s no way in hell they’ll think the folding phones doubled width can include it, if anything you’d expect it to be more prominent on a folding model
how do you propose removing it?
there are two options, 1) using a smaller,shittier camera, or 2) making an extremely thick phone. neither option is very “apple”, especially for a flagship model.
considering the vast majority of people use phone cases and will never notice the bump anyway, i think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion.
No thicker than very popular and successful phones from just 5 years ago. They can use the extra space for a larger battery, so they dont have to nerf performance to maintain stability in older phones. They can also use the space to restore repairability.
But probably not for a folding phone, since making both sides that thick will probably be too much.
Phones 5 years ago have lightyears worse cameras than phones today.
But their thickness can accomidate todays cameras.
…no they can’t. Do you realize just how thick modern camera bumps are? Even not including the bump phones nowadays are thicker than phones 5 years ago.
The iPhone X was 7.7mm thick. The iPhone 17 pro excluding the bump is 8.7.
Damn, I keep forgetting that the iphone X was already 5 years ago. 10 years ago then. There has been so little improvements in phones in the ladt 5 years, it all just blurs together.
I think the point is, we used to have phones that were 9mm+ thick. Iphone 4s and iphone 5c from Apple and Samsung Galaxy S3 and motorola G phones were all that thickness. They even had replacable batteries and expandable storage. Some of those were even waterproof despite all of that.
I think the main driver of impractical thinness has been marketing, planned obselecence and cost savings.
making an extremely thick phone
lol how is 11mm extremely thick
how is it not?
The marketing about it being an incredibly thin phone was a misstep - it just looked absurd to have such a chunky lump stuck onto it, and it felt very much like they were attempting a have cake / eat cake situation by claiming it had incredible camera stats (which werent very good) to justify the bump on an otherwise amazingly thin phone, and then that giant electronics bump had an external lens on it too.
Had it just been an ugly phone, I doubt it would have met with anywhere near the same criticism, but all the adcopy about how thin it was overtop of photos where you could see it had a giant lump on it felt really dishonest, and if this article is accurate it may count among the biggest apple flops ever.
(The thickness may just need to be accepted at this point. The S25 Ultra is 8.2mm, which is thinner than the Air if you include the bump. It seems like the camera wasnt the issue then, but that they hamstrung their design team with their drive for a thin phone. What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?)
are you talking about the Air? last time i checked all iphone models have a camera bump.
What elegance might even an extra millimeter of chassis space produced?
People really don’t seem to understand that in the electronics world, one single millimeter can make worlds of difference.
You absolutely can cram so much more stuff in “dumber” electronics, but phones are even more constricted in design, because they need to send and receive signals of different types, so feedback and signal noise are concerns.
Adding in even slightly more space allows for much better design, because you have more tolerances to reduce signal noise. It allows dozens of wires for camera sensors to route better. A 20% longer battery life. Heck, just being slightly more ergonomic and less droppable is a bonus to slightly thicker phones.
I didn’t even consider signal noise until I got into fpv drones and rc stuff, it can mame a ton of difference if you have a single wire 2mm out of place. (and crash your drone because the motor interfered with your antenna)
Thiner≠better.
Wildly appropriate username here. Also, 100% correct.
The marketing had nothing to do with it not selling. Pick one up, yeah it’s thin but it’s also a bar of soap to hold. Plus a ton of deal breaking trade off like less battery life and poor camera system compared to the alternative iPhone 17s/Pros.
Lol “extremely thick phone”. Get that apple boot, you got it to your gills this time. Only when it’s razor thin and cuts the hands of the unworthy will then your lust be satisfied.
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I mean, being stupid thin is something that a foldable phone has to be, so that it ends up being normal-ish thickness when folded. So it tracks that they’d design it like their ultra-thin phone.
But it’s not stupid thin, it’s got a giant lump on it?
Thinness should be defined by it’s thickest point.
No no is clearly the thinnest iPhone ever, just look at it, can’t see anything wrong calling it that. So thin. Amazing, how can apple do such a marvel of engineering.
I know better cameras demand more space, but you cant claim your phone is thin with them. Not that I think thin phones are useful, pointless gimmick.
5.6 - 9 - 5.6
hip - waist - bustIf it’s good enough for girls it’s good enough for phones
I’ve never heard a girl use those measurements.
Women, however, use them frequently enough.
Sorry for being pedantic but it rubs me the wrong way when people refer to women as “girls”
Edit: Guess this part of lemmy is cool with infantilizing women. Didn’t know people around here were cool with sharing traits with pedophiles, but here we are.
How do you feel about cunts?
While noble, that was a tongue in cheek diminutive and I was including myself in that category.
The stupid camera bump thing they totally didn’t steal from Google
Edit: Yes, I’m totally butthurt about that guys. Fuck Tim Apple!!11
are we really going to start counting who stole what in all smartphone design.
“These assholes included an antenna and SIM slot again!?! HTC did that last season. So unoriginal.”
I wish they still included a SIM card slot.
100% of the phones I purchase include the SIM slot. No joke.
I want even aware iPhone users lost this ability with the iPhone 14 and beyond, until your remark. I’m so sorry. :(
It’s not just iPhone anymore. Pixel 10 removed the SIM card as well.
Idk, explaining how the crap iPhone is 99 % IP theft doesn’t really lead anywhere.
I sort of assumed that these days design patents are mostly ignored by smartphone companies.
After a while it just makes sense to drop the legal stuff and stop wasting money on constant lawsuits.
This folding iPhone also looks like the Pixel Fold
Man anyone else remember the Nexus 6P?
Ewwwww
Remove the outside screen and all cameras and I’d be slightly more interested.
remove all the screens and the charging port and I’m sold.
More of a fidget toy at that point. I’m in. I’d go as high as $8.
Remove the whole phone and I’m touching grass
Message go Apple: “Small Hands exists, you fucks!”
Also invent something useful. Seamless foldables is, ehh.
How about a phone you don’t need too touch? Like make siri actually functional?
Or be dramatic and figure out a wag to counter the dumming down you propagate with your phones and find a way to improve peoples critical thinking skills…
Over the years they’ve kept trying small phones and people overwhelmingly don’t buy them. The market speaks: the bigger the better
People who own Apple devices are instantly lower on my respectometer.
People who judge other people based on nothing other than what technology brand they use instantly are instantly lower on my respectometer.
Fuck off with that shit.
I used Symbian for years, then I used android tablets as a complement to the Symbian phones for years, then I got an iPhone for work, and when my last Symbian device died I got an iPhone as I knew the OS from my work phone. A few years later I tried an Android phone for a few months, but when the display got totaled in a drop, and I had to send the phone away, I just got back to my iPhone as it was easier to fix on the spot in local repair shops.
I am an IT guy, I don’t care about blue or green bubbles, if you are on Android, that is fine, that probably works better for you, for me iOS has so far served me well.
Stop judging others for their preference of tech brands. Apple and Google are both evil.
It’s not just about the bubbles - it’s about having congruent feature sets. When the Android phone joins the group message, the experience is notably different.
The other thing that drove me to iPhone over Android is that the experience is largely consistent. You can tell people what to do from a far based on OS version and phone model because there are so few models. It’s really hard to ask your elderly parent which phone and is this or that feature available remotely. You never know which manufacturer removed what feature
In iOS? Go here. Do this. Do that. Done
Things are a lot better now that the EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS, at least.
I haven’t forgotten the fact that at the apple event announcing iMessage they claimed it would come to other platforms at a later date. That was before they realized what a strong moat it was. For how much they claim to put the user first, they really only do so when it benefits their bottom line or they’re forced to by regulators. Fingers crossed third party app stores come to more places than just the EU and Japan.
EU forced apple’s hand in implementing RCS
This isn’t even a little bit true.
If you need to claim this was external pressure, China was an actual driver of this but did not force this either.
The main reason is to get away from legacy sms/mms systems. Sending and receiving on the iPhone side is messy as a poor user experience for Apple’s users.
One small example is how SMS gets split at 160 and would often come out of order because of the limitations of sms.
The cell networks are moving to a pure data layer model. Sms don’t send over data, RCS does. Same reason everything it volte now.
Things currently fall back to sms, but expect it to be dead within a decade as future hardware cycles through (on the carrier side) and support is dropped in favor of streamlined protocols.
FTFY: People who own Apple devices and believe they are superior are morons.
I judge people on way more. E.g. on verbose comments on inconsequential asocial media posts ;)
Lucky for you, I don’t judge people for replying to the wrong comment.
See, it’s inconsequential.
