“first they came for…” and so on.
Always. Repeatedly. Forever.
What is wild to me is that it’s been obvious to me since I was a teenager, several decades ago, that the US has been like this for many (most?) people for ages. If you’re black, poor, an immigrant, deviate from the acceptable behavior template in any way, they’re perfectly happy to bust down your door and take everything and anything from you. It’s nearly always been like that. If it hasn’t been for you, you’re probably invested heavily in keeping it that way. And now what we’re seeing is the “in” group is just shrinking a bit more, the acceptable behavior template is shifting just slightly. Enough to provoke alarm in many but not action in enough.
Dual state isn’t doing it justice.
Faceted is a proper word choice.
The “grandparent test” won’t necessarily work on child-free and anti-natalists though. Unless they plan on adopting I guess in the latter category.
Thankfully, we are not currently facing a situation as grave as Nazism: Today’s America is not 1940s Germany.
…yet.
I mean, they’re right, we’re in mid to late 1930’s Germany. I haven’t seen any truly hopeful signs of redemption coming out way.
I’ve seen some hope. The protests we’ve got going on in Minnesota have had huge turnout, without any major mistakes on the side of protestors (read: violence)
I’m seeing more and more apolitical, for lack of a better word, people speaking out against what is happening now. Technology Connections included a very frank political discussion in his most recent video, as an example
People in my personal life, who were previously dismissive of my concerns around Trump, have changed their tune
The situation is not great, but there are rays of hope
You’re right, there are “rays of hope” I suppose, but I’m in the twin cities metro and we in my circle of friends and family aren’t feeling particularly hopeful. It’s hard not to feel crushed by the brutality that has been going on. We’ve been volunteering to get groceries for people and to pick up kids from school whose parents are afraid to do so, but we have our family situation doesn’t really allow us to be away from the house much. Many of my daughter’s friends are full remote for school now even though they are citizens because of their ethnicity. It’s just rough and it has been hard to not feel like we’re barreling towards a full nazi experience.
People in my personal life, who were previously dismissive of my concerns around Trump, have changed their tune
Can confirm. I live in a bellwether city, whoever we voted for has been the president for the last… 8 times? 10 times? idk, quite a few times.
The city previously had quite a number of Trump flags on houses. During his first term, the “Trump trains” would routinely roll through town, and you would hear them honking for a good 3 - 5 minutes as they all drove by. They came in from other cities mostly, but still, there would be like 50ish “I need to compensate for something” type trucks with Trump flags on the back.
Now, even the flags are rare. My neighbor who literally flew a Confederate flag for a while - in California, mind you, my joke being “Southern California will rise again” - took his Trump flag down after the first round of Epstein stuff and it hasn’t gone back up yet. The “Trump trains” are gone. They tried them a few times during the start of his second term, maybe a few months in, but having a “train” of only like 5 people just feels more pathetic than impressive, so they quit that. Haven’t seen one in months.
Also, the Trump administration simply appears to be way less competent than the (original) Nazis were. The second season is scarier than the first, but that’s a large part of what saved us during the first season too.
However! Let’s not forget that the Democrats waged an internationally-recognized genocide against the Palestinian people because they’re also owned by Zionazis and corporate interests. The people don’t “win” unless both corporate-owned, pedophile-and-or-genocidaire-run parties are completely removed from power. NOT reformed, removed.
My neighbor who literally flew a Confederate flag for a while - in California, mind you, my joke being “Southern California will rise again” - took his Trump flag down after the first round of Epstein stuff and it hasn’t gone back up yet
Man, this just gave me an idea. Print off a bunch of copies of the new pages about the allegations against Trump, then start mailing them out to houses with Trump flags up. No additions or alterations, other than to include “published by the United States Department of Justice, January 30th, 2026” along with a direct link to the pages on the DOJ site (or maybe an archive.org link to it, since they already took it down once)
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Also, the Trump administration simply appears to be way less competent than the (original) Nazis were. The second season is scarier than the first, but that’s a large part of what saved us during the first season too.
I agree it seems less competent – Hitler actually wanted to improve the living standards for Aryan Germans; whereas Trump wants to enrich himself and his billionaire sycophants – we also have no realistic chance for external factors to bring down the regime as happened with the Nazis. There is zero chance the US would ever be invaded. No country will want to go to war with the US. They’ll simply stop doing business with us, like Russia or North Korea
That’s a pretty good idea lol. I’ve been thinking of just printing out particularly egregious pages and slapping them up on stickers.
Yeah, and 1930s Germany wasn’t 1940s Germany. But it got there.
Politics is coming full circle, Nazis got most of their inspiration from US politics and policy
The real hazard, at least at present, to the average person is our dysfunctional healthcare system. It might be less “in your face” than some of the other factors, but it is insidious and affects everyone except those at the top.
the system is fine as long as you have good insurance. the average person still has employer sponsored insurance that is fairly decent.
the shitty part of the system is those who are getting bad insurance. which is mostly those who are getting it outside of employer insurance. large employer insurance has lower rates because it’s a bigger pool of purchasing power. it’s small employers and independence insurance that screws people over.
This response is a perfect example of the lowered expectations in the US.
What happens if you lose your job? I’m not sure I’d want to have job security and health care coupled together.
Lol no. You can have “decent insurance” and still have your Nazi insurance company suddenly decide not to cover a life threatening illness and instantly bankrupt you. Insurance companies are literal death panels.
People die in this country every day because they put off uncovered treatment to avoid crippling debt.
That’s not a typical occurrence.
The reality is that most people have insurance coverage, even if the cost is excessive, paperwork is excessive and there are too many coverage exceptions. And most people never encounter corporate death panels.
This is yet another “us vs them” scenario. Enough voters can say “at least I have better coverage than ….” That there is less pressure to fix it and too many people afraid of losing what they have.
Personally I have decent enough insurance (while I’m employed) that I would likely lose on universal coverage. However I’m aware of the total cost to myself and my employer, which is entirely obscene, and I realize it’s contingent on being employed, in an industry known for regular layoffs. I’m part of the problem since I’m “good enough” to not push for better, but also the solution since I would vote for universal coverage because I’m not a sociopath nor an idiot
depends on how much money you have.
Yep we’re dealing with this now and they’ve spent a year asking for extra tests and specialist recommendations to obstruct the needed surgery. The only explanation at this point is they’re obstructing until job loss
Spoken like the 1% or someone who’s never used healthcare I’m the states
lower rates because it’s a bigger pool of purchasing power
You’re so close to getting it
Sure, if you’re rich enough, white enough, conformist enough, it’s fine. That’s the point.
For me it’s at work where we don’t acknowledge what’s really happening and it is starting to drive me a little mad.
I work in a very diverse workforce, but for a very old fashioned company, and politics are not spoken of.
But I am surrounded by immigrants and people who are probably here on work visas, or are just dark skinned, and I have to think they are living with a constant background fear that is steadily rising but they never talk about it and I never say anything. I have a whole cycle of shame with it.
There is a way you can quietly, unobtrusively support these people: just get to know them. If you get to know people, and by this I mean really listen, and take interest in what they say when they speak of whatever is important to them, later on all the little ways you can help will arise from that personal, direct knowledge over time, and between now and then maybe you’ve made a friend.
I’m not saying drape yourself over their cubicle wall and ask them detailed questions about their national traditions until you’re glowing and they’re weirded out; I’m saying get interested in who they are and what they have to say, and try to do it as naturally as you can. If you’re not good at friendly small talk, at least know their names and greet them like you’re glad to know them. In whatever way it means to you, be a friend so that when friends are needed, you’re on their list.
Don’t think that this casual ongoing personal interaction is powerless: rather, it is the source of our greatest strength. Community is what is saving Minneapolis, community is what is defeating ICE, community is what is getting people spontaneously out on the streets in freezing weather to prove that together we – a whole lot of individual I’s – WE have no intention of quietly standing for this shit.
WE is the most powerful thing we have.
And it all starts right where you are now: wanting to help and having no idea how. But you asked. To me, that counts.
Getting to know people before the trouble starts is how you know the best ways to act in their behalf if they ever need it, in ways that do not trample their agency or cause humiliation or, god forbid, increase their dread. As a nation of citizens we have been set at each others’ throats for far too long, a division that only succeeds because we plant ourselves behind screens and let complete strangers tell us what to think and how to feel. In doing this, we have forgotten how to just be friends. So start there. Pay attention to others. Greet people when you see them, even a nod. Learn to listen. Take general interest. See who responds and who doesn’t. In time this will open every door that can be opened, and also allow those who have their own reasons for staying aloof the personal privacy they want.
I feel the whole shame thing, but if you can, give yourself permission to set it aside. Seriously. Everyone starts somewhere. You’re starting here, and honestly I’m grateful for every single one of us who is feeling just as lost and wondering right now what can I do to help? But you asked; you’ve already made a start. It’s a good one. No shame required. And if you have nothing better in mind, then the answer is, build community. However you can, wherever you can, in whatever small ways feel right to you so that when the shit starts you’re already known as an ally.
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Work is already a compartmentalized space for many people. Some places, by rote, have no politics or religion on their daily, invisible walls in existence for decades before Trump in power was even a thought. To have that in the workplace is normal. Mileage varies, no doubt, there is no 100% with people.
Sometimes you run into That Person who breaks the rules and makes the entire room break eye contact, bow head, and disengage to focus on work. There’s a reason most people don’t talk to them.
Where this is going to resonate most, now, is for people who do most of their in person talking to others at their job. For people who only encounter non white people at their job.
For me, work is the reprieve zone from it all. I have a job to do, my focus is on it. At least until we too have Immigration & Customs Enforcement in our halls.
Again, compartmentalization. Not just to do a better, more focused job (how much this matters also depends on what the job is, to you) but to engage in a mental moment of reprieve from thinking about our fallen republic.
Be the change you want to see then?
I’m in Canada but also a very diverse group of people around me at all times. I make it very clear with everyone that politics aside, I have all their backs regardless of race, colour or creed. Differences are what makes us stronger not weaker and anyone who is afraid of differences shows themselves as weak.
Most of my coworkers in my area are older and white, but the rest of the company is highly mixed. I know most of them are Republicans and are enjoying this sick show even if they’re not saying it. Most days I just want to scream.
They all are waiting on someone to fix it. They wont do anything until it comes to their door. By then it will be way too late for most of us.
the average person has no idea how to fix any of it. they have been voting back and forth for years, and nothing has changed.
average people also deeply disagree on how to fix it. and above average people are more than happy to take average people’s money to tell them how they are going to fix it, and use it to enrich themselves while doing nothing.
Invite folks to join you at a protest, or canvassing, or almost anything else that is more than zero. A big chunk of the population can be hooked on action if somebody they know asks.
I am the token white guy where I work and none of my coworkers want to talk about it. They don’t want to protest. They think they are gonna be left alone. They are just one ICE encounter away from finding out but until then they will not step outside their bubble.
Why would they? It’s an additional hazard. They know exactly where the line is for being the slow gazelle that gets killed. It’s in their bones. You’re just new to the game and haven’t internalized how fucked how quickly things will get for you if you step out of line.
Head in the sand until dead in dirt. That is some solution.
i’m not welcome at protests because i’m white and male. why would I go if I am not welcome and seen as a threat rather than a friend? i’m not interested in attending events where i am not welcome.
What an absolute load of dishonest self-pitying BS. Lying troll. You’ve never been to a single leftist protest in your life.
so violence is cool, as long as it’s against anyone who isn’t like you, or doesn’t look like you, right?
And if anyone says maybe that’s not cool, they aren’t one of you, and violence is justified against them.
awfully convenient.
That’s how it’s always been don’t be naive.
What protests are you going to? The overwhelming majority of people I know who goto protests are white and no one has had such a complaint (yes I don’t have a diverse acquaintance group). Yes I’m white Middle Aged Christian male, ticking all the boxes except “sociopath”, and I’ve always felt welcome
I especially note the BLM protests from a few years ago, as predominantly darker skin people, but I still never felt anything but welcome
I bet you don’t have a girlfriend cuz “all women are whores and sluts”.
I don’t have a girlfriend because I keep meeting women who want 1950s style marriages where I am their sole provider. And I’m not interested in that. I want an equal partner.
You’re an imbecile. There are 1000s of white males at all of the large protests from coast to coast, Boston to L.A.
You spout a lot of BS. You need to get lost or get your head out of your ass and learn reality.
I’m white and male and I have attended plenty of protests in my 40 years of living. If you’re viewed as a threat instead of a friend, that ain’t the reason.
right, please tell me how my support of leftist causes is problematic and wrong. just like they did.
Considering the dumb shit you post all the time to Lemmy, I’m gonna have to go with “you aren’t actually in support of anything to the left.”
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This is utter nonsense. Just show up and don’t be an asshole. Nobody is going to kick you out over skin color or gender.
it’s nonsense to you. It’s my lived experience of attending multiple protests. being told to go fuck myself for just being there. because i look like ‘the enemy’. whatever that means.
so i stopped protesting at all, because it’s not worth it to be verbally assaulted and physically threatened by your so called ‘allies’.
All I can say is that your experience is wildly different from any I’ve run into, and would be really unlikely unless you did something.
and maybe your expereince isn’t universal. maybe leftists are as accepting and tolerant and wonderful as you think they are.
oh by the way, you know one reason i harassed? because i look jewish.
weird how the anti-nazis behave like nazis…
You’re giving yourself away by frothing at the mouth about leftism and pretending that anyone on the left is advancing the cause of anti-Semitism.
Maybe be more subtle next time.
Yeah, that’s the nature of experience, people have different ones. I would agree with you that, for the most part, if you show up to support a protest then you’ll be welcomed and not pushed out, but someones experience in Ohio might be different from someone else’s experience in Texas, California, Florida, or NY.
I live in the US south east and moved from one city to another about 3 hours away. When I did so my workplace went from 95% white to 65% black. Protests went from politically charged and racially neutral to religious based and racially charged. Your experience in one place is no guarantee for other people’s experiences in another.
I have no idea where this guy is from, but I could totally see a place in the US where a middle class white guy showing up would raise some eyebrows.
All in all my experience matches yours, but I am also reminded of this video from several years ago. Maybe this video is fake, maybe it’s doctored, or taken out of context, but as it appears in the video it’s just an example that perceptions and opinions can be different for different people and the crowd doesn’t always support you.
Nah she’s playing with fire. Maybe she “don’t talk gud “, but this is a favorite talking point of deniers. This is exactly the scenario of dismissing BLM concerns with “all lives matter”. Technically true but offensively misleading
Is she right? Sure, anyone can be racist, no demographic has a monopoly only on that. All lives should matter
But she’s absolutely wrong to bring it up in this scenario, it’s another case of “both sides the same”, or a what aboutism. She’s effectively dismissing their concerns
There’s 3 states. You could probably subdivide it further, but the basics are -
- Fuck yeah, make kings and inflict suffering
- can’t be bothered to deal with it for whatever reason
- How the hell can we stop the crazy train?
We know how to stop it, but we’ll probably end up dead or imprisoned forever for it so… The revolution will only happen when a lot of people of nothing left to lose.
A lot of organized people with nothing to lose. Nothing changes if one man with a gun takes to the street, see Willem Van Spronson.
I’m proudly in camp 3, but holy fuck am I exhausted and depressed!
Everything is normal.
It’s always been this way. You’re just upset you have to be confronted with it rather than having it be hidden and silent. Protestors have always been killed or hurt. Immigrants have always been persecuted.
And everyone is political, they just don’t care to make it a everyday of every moment facet of their identity, activist do. Most people are not, and never will be, activists. And that’s fine.
And you don’t win average people over by screaming, crying, and lecturing them how awful they are for not being ‘as upset’ as you are. Or why they aren’t ‘doing anything’. You push them away from your cause.
First time you’ve been right in this thread.
They hated the frog, because it told the truth.
You’re just wrong, but that’s alright.
9/11 is really where the modern world was birthed in terms of American politics.
Sure it’s been terrible in the past, but it hasn’t always been this terrible and for about 30 years or so it has been restrained (Rodney king protests). It went Cold War during this time and most adults 40 and below have known relative peace in the U.S. in conjunction with government sanctioned violence towards our own people.
Don’t twist these ideas with a flawed concept of we “always have done it this way ” as if human society hasn’t progressed whatsoever. With this outlook we would have been living in caves and fields all the way up to now. It’s like oppressive defeatism, and it’s just utterly pointless.
Just because things have been one way doesn’t mean it can’t be changed.
The world is not binary and we can always push forward for positive changes.
study more history.
american history has always had oppressed groups being throw in camps and persecuted.
the world existed before 2001.
Yeah, you are right!
The world did exist before 2001, and yet clearly your reading comprehension skills don’t exist in the year 2026.
Yeah, I’m stupid. Please tell me more how wrong I am daddy. You are so correct and right.
The patriot act is the source of all evil, and Americans never hated each other before then!
I asserted you were wrong and listed why I said that to you.
You begin the ad hominem attack by telling me to study more history without providing any reasoning behind your claim.
You could have said “oh just look at the Tulsa Massacre, CIA Activities, government toppling, agent orange, My Lai Massacre, the treatment of minority groups throughout our countries history, slavery, systemic racism and injustice, rampant corporatism, resource guarding, Kent State Massacre, political assassinations of civil rights leaders, mkultra, fbi congress bribing scandals, the Tuskegee experiment, and etc”
you deliberately ignored the nuance of the first half of my message to respond with the same tired message of “America Bad”.
We are both allowed to express our opinions, and mine is that even if my first point is wrong, we can do better.
You just went full circle and now are arguing in support of what I originally claimed.
You’re just mad I didn’t spout off specific incidents and made some grandiose claim that one incident is the ‘root’ of all of this.
You are just being petty and trying to ‘one up’ me. Yeah, it’s a ad hominim attack, because you’re attacking me for an ad hominem reason. You don’t like the way I said something.
I don’t regard you argument as nuanced at all. I regard it as crude and biased to living memory as if our current atrocities are somehow unique and special, they aren’t. Americans always have hated each other and should out internal enemies amongst their fellow citizens. The enemy just changes over time, but there is always one.
This is why the left in this country is such a joke. lots of petty people trying to ‘have the better argument’ rather than just shut up and agree. or worse, trying to be ‘more enlightened’ about an issue, or ‘more woke’ or whatever buzzword virtue status bullshit they are chasing for clout.
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What’s the point of bots in here commenting?
There’s been more and more. The internet is basically walking dead. There are extremities that the infection hasn’t really overpowered yet like Lemmy, but Lemmy shares the same circulatory system as the other major organs of the body of the internet, so the infection will eventually overpower these spaces as well.
Well, despite this being a terminal disease, I’m gonna keep reporting them to the white blood cells.
Fuck off with your chatbot
What is this generic ass nothing of a comment. How does this help anyone?
tHiS iS a ToPiC wOrTh DiScUsSiNg
Like no shit. Why do you think it was posted?
Looks like someone testing AI.
Everything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention. The ones protesting are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE.
I like how this ignores the massive waves of protests that have taken place since the very first ICE operations, and basically the entire story up to this point.
But hey if it gives you a way to shame white people for being white, while being white yourself, I guess it gives us all something to do, right?
This is not normal. Quit trying to convince people not to take action by pretending Trump is no different
This is very different. Democracy is genuinely under threat
There is no democracy when you are ruled by oligarchs
Everything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
You’re not fighting back, this will blow over in a few weeks and it will go back to business as usual, brown people getting targeted and harassed, white people not so much. Liberals protest individual cogs in the machine, as if replacing e a cog changes the function of the machine. Right now they are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE. They are protesting Trump when they should be protesting the entire oligarchy. Liberals don’t mind fascism as long as they don’t have to see it.
Whether you realize it or not, you are argu8ng for inaction. Stop that.
You can give up if you want, but don’t try to drag others down with you
I havnt given up, I’m protesting the entire system not just the one that dragged me from brunch
And you’re not doing shit either but trolling, you’re such a tiny cog in the same system but don’t even realize it.
Go outside and learn to actually socialize and organize actual opposition and do something useful with your energy instead of trying to pretend you despise others so you don’t get sad when they say your words are dumb.
Pure arrogance on display, I’m in my community weekly to assist in mutual aid, unlike most liberals who protest with social media hashtags
Kent State
1968 in general
So a thing from almost 60 years ago? That was a tragedy and eventually led to a course correction on Vietnam. Hardly an example of “business as usual”
It sounded like you wanted a concrete example within living memory
Well I can’t assume what the op meant. But I think the spirit is how what’s going on isn’t normal. And I think using an example like that is in itself unique and this is also not normal. Both of those things are rare and if anything prove the point that we shouldn’t be here and we should be alarmed with what is happening.
I’m well over 60.
I would think someone alive during Jim Crow would remember Kent State
Millions killed since Kent State by the state. Kent State is remembered because, again, it was a bunch of white people
In a single mass casualty event? Ohh nevermind you’re one of those ml accounts.
When the weak minded have no argument they always resort to ad hominem argumentum
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
Sort of feels like you’re just baiting here. We’re talking about domestic issues in this thread.
Pretty standard .ml take.
Can’t help it if .world doesn’t know fascism when they see it
You’re the one that doesn’t see it. You’re out here telling people this is normal and not do anything
This is normal, you sit there in smug arrogance defending a police state as long as you don’t t have to think about it. Point to where I said do nothing, I said protest the entire system.
Yes, yes, America bad. We get it.
Hey, just out of curiosity, did anything noteworthy happen on June 4, 1989?
You talking about the US CIA color revolution that failed?
Previously, ICE was only set loose to terrorize, incite, and murder the brown population. So yeah, this is pretty much business as usual.
ICEA wasn’t previously “let loose,” the deportation process existed (and happened way too often), but people received due process.
Due process by who, Obama denied due process to 75% of the millions he deported
Lmfao who’s ass did you pull that from?
I’m not an Obama Stan but the immigration policy was pretty tame during his administration.
There was a shift from voluntary removals (aka tossing them back over the border) to formal proceedings and a change to prioritize recent arrivals, those caught at the border and felons. By 2013, 87% of removals were in this top priority category.
So contrary to whatever edgy narrative you’re imagining in your head, immigration enforcement was nothing like this before.
who’s ass did you pull that from
The ACLU, I know their kind of reporting isnt typical brunch discussion so I see how you could have missed it. And they are referencing the same website you try and claim was uneventful
Neat, appreciate the source. None of that refutes anything in my source and in fact the two paint the same picture. Obama’s policy decision to formalize removals put more cases in the court docket. This (and other factors) put a massive backlog on reviews and they cut corners for the 80% of ostensibly open/shut cases.
Could Obama have done way better? Absolutely. But compared to the previous two administrations keeping things off book, it was still a step in the right direction to bring those to light in the formal process.
You keep saying “brunch” which I assume is to imply that everyone who’s mad now was blissfully unaware of any problems 10 years ago. Not only is that not true but it’s massively disingenuous.
DACA was a bandaid, but even as a gesture it showed an entirely different atmosphere around immigration and reform. Somehow Obama using his executive power to mitigate a problem is the same as Trump telling DACA kids to self deport while ethnically cleansing entire cities?
Gtfo you clown
Everything happening right now is normal for the US, the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention.
This is such bullshit
You say bullshit because you feel targeted by the statement. Your type haven’t been upset before Goode because you didn’t have to face it, and it’s easy to dismiss victims that don’t look like you.
Christ how you stay balanced on that edge all the time, must be exhausting.
Also, it’s Good, not Goode you child.
Liberals argue semantics because they can’t defend their positions of supporting of fascism and the police state.
Her name was Good, not Goode. Shows how much you pay attention
They’re a .ml user, should tell you enough right there.
I used to doubt such stereotypes when I started on Lemmy but now I don’t, every single interaction I’ve had with a .ml user has been an exercise in daycare for troubled youths. They are literal children, and have the most deluded, horseshoe-theory-personified, edgelord, leftist-MAGA takes I’ve ever seen online.
I got banned from one of their communities for criticising the Chinese government. Yeah, I feel like all big .ml communities should be blocked as an indivisible part of the process of setting up a Lemmy account.
Just a checkmark box on account creation would work.
“Do you like the taste of boots? Y/N”
You have leftists because we make you feel like that bad people you are. We make you face the evil you support.
I love that you have to scan comments to see if people are talking about you. Kind of telling.
I’ll pass on this anime roleplay villain talk, I didn’t bring a costume or anything. Thanks. Bye.
Following threads isn’t scanning. And what exactly is it telling?
It doesn’t fucking matter, you argument semantics while defending a police state
Typical .ml tankie bullshit take.
Does America have sordid events in her history? Yes.
But to take a “same shit, different day” stance isn’t just myopic, it assists the present admin by attempting to place the actions of the day in the “normal” zone.
The white people part breaks the inertia, the dismissiveness, the head in the sand aspect OP is referring to.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement are just out doing immigration and customs enforcement things, right? Right up until they shoot two white people in the head.
We’re talking broad strokes perception management here. Most of the public doesn’t have time, inclination is separate, to dig in like the people of Lemmy or the still earnest corners of Reddit, or the journalist/HCR/Robert Reich essay writing corner of Substack.
They vaguely know Immigration & Customs Enforcement are out deporting people. A layer deeper they might know it’s harassment of immigrants and that protestors are protesting. Let’s be real about what “immigrants” means to most Americans: brown people, mainly in the form of Mexicans and Haitians, are being rounded up and deported. But, for the most part, agree or disagree with immigration policy, they’re thinking Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing that, what their name says.
Right up until someone clearly not fitting the immigrant profile is BAM shot in the head.
Why not Porter? I’m not going to try to argue that color doesn’t matter here. It does. But unlike Floyd, Porter is missing the fundamental piece that creates action like back in 2020: video. Good and Pretti had video. It’s why they target journalists first with the gas now. Video presence matters.
As for the two white people. The world is always more dismissive of women, we are forever placed in the “it’s her fault” zone, but even so. Pretti is unique because he’s also making conservative heads spin around. 2A, VA, a trade adjacent profession, a most trusted profession, an helping/service profession, and he’s a white man, the pinnacle of MAGA.
With Pretti, it’s a coffin nail on the idea that Immigration & Customs Enforcement is doing immigration and customs enforcement things. Pretti completely changes the narrative, for most.
This is just so dismissive of the ugly history behind ICE that I’m actually slightly disgusted.
This isn’t the historic Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That was the premise for what this is but that is not what this is.
They are Trump/Stephen Miller’s brown shirts. That’s new.
the only difference is 2 white people got killed this time so people started paying attention.
Which unveils the nature of the dual state in operation, exactly as the article is pointing out.
You’re wrong about this. It’s a reasonable position during the first Trump presidency, but under this one it is not “equal opportunity oppression”. White people of privilege being murdered in the streets by cops isn’t the new equality… It’s the new ceiling. It doesn’t mean everyone else has new company in the oppression floor, it means everyone now at the bottom will be shoved into darker depths than some might imagine.
The class war is no longer trying to hide.
There’s the top 10% and their brown shirts. And there’s everyone else, who should be toeing the line and at their jobs.
Exactly. AmeriKKKa has been a shithole for a long long while now. Hope they all rot.
You literally have emails showing it’s every fucking country doing this shit with each other because the rich hate you. Don’t be an idiot.
You realize that all working class folks, internationally, are your peers? And you just spat on ~300 million people, many of whom are suffering and many if not most of whom didn’t vote for that suffering. Have some compassion and solidarity for fucks sake. Did you wish the same thing on Greek people when their economy collapsed?
The Greeks didn’t cause death and misery to every country on the globe across their much, much older history. Compared to a nation founded on racism, death, and greed, they’re literal saints.
Oh shit, it’s one of those “anti-imperialist” takes again where they only consider the US and ignore everyone else’s imperialism. Big yawn. You realize this is 100% parroting Russian propaganda invented in the Soviet days, right? Go ask the Eastern bloc countries if they weren’t imperialist. Yes, America bad but don’t make it your whole personality 🙄
If you didn’t notice this post is about the US. But of course you are so enlightened that you are impervious to any form of propaganda, specifically the US version
Yaaaaawn
It’s that arrogant hubris that’s caused our current situation.
Will you name me a first world nation that wasn’t built on 2 out of 3 of those things? Are your politicians and billionaires also saints? Why are you going on like this after I brought up compassion and solidarity for other people in your socioeconomic class despite their nation of origin? Am I a greedy racist killer because my great great whatever grandfather had no option but to leave where he was for whatever reason (famine, war, oppression)?
I am really interested in your answers to these questions, because they are meant to be collaborative, despite what seems like your insistence to be antagonistic.
It’s about damage caused / duration of its existence. Find me a nation that perpetrated as much as the US has, in such little time. I’m waiting.
You guys are concentrated evil.
Well man, fuck you too than.
What is wrong with people who say shit like this?
Intentionally sowing discord?
Discord is when we point out that the country is fascists?
No it’s when you say that millions of people’s opinions and lives don’t matter because you’re hoping to encourage more hatred in the world.
