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    The only people who would get mad about telling the troops to refuse illegal orders, are the people who plan to issue illegal orders.

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    if they had balls every dem politicians who could run for next election should say that they will pardon anyone who gets arrested or in trouble for disobeying illegal orders.

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      Set aside Dems for a moment. When will the media give any of these scandals any deserving attention? Bush, Obama, Biden got raked by the media for weeks for the slightest misspeak

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        They obviously won’t… All the American media outlets are being consolidated under right wing ownership. To the extent we ever had fair reporting, that’s over.

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        They are all complicit, however I cannot comment on that, because I have not watched tv or followed main stream media in a decade. I have ground news, which is great (I do have some complaints about it, it isn’t perfect but no point venting here). So I personally cannot complain about them too much.

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    When is the majority of this country going to grasp that we are dealing with an actual, real life traitor?

    Is it going to be one of those things where it isn’t generally recognized until way after the fact when historians/teachers/students are studying the time period?

    It’s pretty fucking obvious.

    He INCITECD AN INSURRECTION. He is ADVOCATING FOR HANGING POLITICIANS FOR ADHERING TO THE CONSTITUTION.

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    Trump: “Hang them for sedition!”

    Commentator: “That is of course nonsense. The President doesn’t have the authority to …”

    Supreme court: “As the President is a sovereign, he has absolute authority to issue death sentences for any reason” (6-3 majority)

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    He is afraid that people explain to the military the current state of the law? Like he hoped he could order them to do illegal things, and they would compüly, not knowing any better?

    BTW: The Nuremberg trials started on this day 80 years ago. I hope you guys prepare your version of it then Trump is over.

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    If anyone should be getting hanged for anything, it’s Pedonald for all of his many crimes, including plotting a coup while stoking an insurrection.

    But it’s always projection with the conservatives.

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    The fuck is wrong with Americans?

    If any other president had said the things he said over the past couple of months, the country would have exploded and a president either legally or through mass protest removed from office.

    What’s so special about this orange nutjob?

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      A country full of stupid, small-minded, selfish, arrogant, angry, racist, misogynists elect a stupid, small-minded, selfish, arrogant, angry, racist, misogynist… How could this have happened?

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      Nothing is a special about the Cheeto Man. He is not a means to some end, as though his specialty is bringing about some change which nobody else could have. Cheeto Man is an end in himself. He’s the result of where we have been headed for a long time. Circumstances were right for a man like Cheeto Man, and now here he is. It’s like when the weather man tells you circumstances are just right for rain — that means it’s probably going to rain.

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      What’s so special about this orange nutjob?

      Nothing, really. He’s not doing anything other piece of trash authoritarians haven’t done before. And he’s not doing it as effectively as many of them did.

      What’s special is that we live in a country whose populace is so ignorant and hateful that a high enough percentage of the population supports this basic ass bitch because he says basic ass hateful shit that he has remained protected by them.

      The issue isn’t Trump. Our society could have easily kept him just a whiny little rich bitch like all the other whiny little rich bitches. The issue is our society because we didn’t.

      Believe me. There is nothing special about this loser.

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      There have been tons of massive protests, the average American doesn’t support this crap and they’re doing what they can

      The question should be the fuck is wrong with America’s police officers, service members, judges, and lawmakers and other elected officials

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        He doesn’t care about your protests. He literally created a video of himself shitting on them and declaring himself king. It works in functioning democracies, but walking down the street with a sign will not stop a fascist intent on absolute power.

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        It’s been the downfall of empires before, and America isnt anything special. Just unchecked and unchallenged humans greed and corruption taking its next logical steps.

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      He has done it so much and gotten away with it, it’s been normalized.

      January 6th (aka, the insurrection) should have been a wake up call for everyone. A lot of people don’t care about their country or God or whatever else they claim. Many just care about community.

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        Oh, they are. But you underestimate the power of opioids, police state, etc. in preventing that hunger from turning into action.

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      I think part of the problem is people assume he’s going to die soon and so aren’t motivated to try and remove him from office. But even if he dies soon, I fear things will get worse. JD Vance is potentially just as bad or worse. And other people involved, like Stephen Miller, could eventually become president if nothing is done to prosecute all the people involved in this clownshow

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      the jiu-jitsu propaganda machine is coming for everyone. Watch for the signs: nutjobbery, incompetence, fascism.

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      My personal theory is that there is just so many people and so much land that one person can care about and that area is about the size and population of the average US state or European country. Once you get to the size of the US or China or Russia or even India it’s too big for people to care. Very few people in NYC give a shit about what is happening in LA on a day to day basis.

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        I don’t know if it’s a lack of caring, but the distance certainly makes MEANINGFUL action for most Americans out of reach. Just marching in say Boulder, CO does jack shit in Washington, D.C.

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      Americans in flyover country are really really fucking stupid, yet are very well funded gov subsidies. Evil exploits this major US weakness.

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      Nah.

      Their rationale starts with the belief that all of Trump’s orders are lawful, because he’s the president and a president can do anything.

      So their issue would be that saying that isn’t true, is unlawful.

      Which is obviously hypocritical because they acted like Biden and Obama were Stalin and Mao level authoritarians and multiple sherrifs and other red state officials flat out refused to follow orders from the Fed.

      By their logic now, all those people shouldve been hung.

      But when Trump’s out of office they’ll change their tune again

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          Our standards are the best, folks. They’re so good, they call them, you know what they call them? I know you know, the lying media knows, but folks they call them “double standards”. Can you believe it? Standards so good they’re double. And listen, when we put America First, our standards will triple, even quadruple.

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          But the reason shit is so fucked, is the neoliberal wing took over the Dem party and their only problem with a strong fed is they didn’t control it.

          Instead of fighting against the centralization of power, they went along with it because 50% of the time they got the keys.

          And the oligarchs that funded both sides were cool with it for the same reason the US was cool with installing puppet dictators in the ME.

          You want centralized power in a puppet state because the more you concentrate the bribe the more the person will do for it.

          It’s not impossible to buy off ~550 politicians to own the federal government, but it’s easier to just buy off the president.

          Just like it’s easier to buy off a single federal government, than 52 state/territories.

          Which is kind of the whole reason we as citizens should want the power distributed as much as possible, which includes unfreezing the number of House seats and putting more power in state governments.

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            Shifting power toward the Presidency has been going on far longer than there were neoliberals. It goes back to the early days of the country.

            You are hyper-fixated on one particular boogeyman. Heretics and apostates have always been more hated than infidels.

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              Shifting power toward the Presidency has been going on far longer than there were neoliberals. It goes back to the early days of the country.

              Not really…

              There was a short bump after the civil war.

              But after that it’s all been relatively recent.

              Even the stuff FDR was doing was mostly about funding states and projects that helped them.

              The consolidation of power in the fed has been about 50 years which is recent on a country’s timeline.

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        Their rationale starts with the belief that all of Trump’s orders are lawful, because he’s the president and a president can do anything.

        To be fair, the supreme court recently said exactly that. We literally have a king now.

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    For context:

    Half a dozen members of Congress who previously served in the military or intelligence community are urging service members and intelligence officials to disobey illegal orders that might be issued by President Donald Trump’s administration. Democratic lawmakers Sen. Elissa Slotkin, Sen. Mark Kelly, Rep. Jason Crow, Rep. Maggie Goodlander, Rep. Chris Deluzio and Rep. Chrissy Houlahan said the “threats to our Constitution” are coming “from right here at home,” and repeatedly urged the military and intelligence community to “refuse illegal orders.”

    The video was posted on twitter, but I’m attaching it below.