Recently changed from Lemmy.today to Lemmy.world because all the CCP communities like Hexbear blocked me so I can’t downvote and tell them off for promoting actual propaganda and misinformation. That’s pretty much half the feed now uninteractable so I figured I might as well stop seeing them.
Hexbear doesn’t even have down votes, you were doing nothing
I can influence the feeds they show up in by downvoting.
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia for their shit.
Don’t make it your identity to defend horrible shit, anywhere.
Past or Present
Banned.
This, but unironically is ml experience
Confirmed! I was banned last week from the privacy ml sub for commenting
something along the lines offound exact comment from modlog which states ban was for violating rule 2 = “Be respectful” (i.e. anything the mods disagree with).Nothing. OP is a tankie / Russian PsyOps operative. If you care about a Russian billionaire who’s surveillance capitalism platform refuses to even acknowledge requests to remove criminals, you deserve to live under the boot of Russia’s authoritarian Kleptocracy. Save your energy for the **_actual_** wars on encryption and privacy that western plutocrats and capitalism are waging under the lie of Freedom™️.
I would argue the tankie instances/subs/users are actually Russian operatives, instead of CCP — same as it always is/was on Reddit.
Normalise criticizing both the West and China/Russia
But you still have to admit that the West is better. Otherwise you’re doing a Whataboutism
Or midwest.social, which for some reason I can’t comment or vote on.
… You’re on lemmy.world lol 😭
I set my feed for all instances to appear. Despite the reputation of lemmy.ml, it’s been gaining traction recently.
The vegan community recommended people to move to Lemmy.ml or hexbear 🤦
With how .world mods treated them recently and how .world users interacted with that community generally, even .ml and hexbear look better. Not a great look for .world
It isn’t great for anybody. They did what they felt was right and they now have to live with the repercussions. I’m not saying what they did was right or wrong but I will say that emotions play a factor on both sides. Also there is the sense of belonging that comes with being part of a particular community. It leads people to gang up on one another. We end up seeing people take sides based on there experiences instead of facts. Also people tend to lack both sympathy and empathy when online.
As the old saying goes, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I’m less inclined to “both sides” this one. The ganging up included admins. I get they’re humans, but this seemed to me to be a pretty petty thing from people outside the community that got the admins involved in the first place and then the admin applied a double standard as a wave of other .world users continued to dogpile on. Emotions aren’t really an excuse for being a jerk. Most of the other reasons for being a jerk aren’t really great either.
Well I was thinking this might have been a but over the top and then I see this: https://lemmy.ml/post/19820595
Could have been a response to my post lol.
Yes, it 100% is. And the mind blowing thing is it just seems to reinforce your meme. Its like a self own but they really lean into it.
The thing is, unlike lemmy.ml users, I don’t ban anyone or block the instance.
I could block the instance, but it is more damaging to create a bubble than counter their BS if it pops up.
Yeah, I don’t block anyone. I do want to hear many views but I can’t get into another poorly made usa centric argument with another .ml user and remain sane.
I will still see the odd .ml post and go, neat but most of the time its the same old hexbear light sort of stuff. At this point my policy is more look but don’t touch.
If the discussion is good, what is the problem? Genuine question.
Lemmy.ml is run by people who spread authoritarian propaganda, most likely the CCP. It’s a real stain on Lemmy and people shouldn’t support or legitimize it in any way.
Using Lemmy in general pretty much is legitimizing lemmy.ml’s admin work though…
The thing about open source software, no one person gets the credit for it. Especially since the Reddit exodus there have been more and more contributors.
Those same people are also the lead developers of lemmy.
Exhibit A of the original dev’s moderation style
Fuck that guy, best thing he did was make Lemmy open source so it can grow beyond their tiny little world view
Lol, you go and shit in someone’s house and then get upset that they kicked you out.
It’s not a good discussion when they ban you in the middle of it for saying NATO is a defensive alliance.
That is a shock? In my experience political and news communities are always biased and will remove anything that isn’t a part of the narrative. Some are worse than others but the desire to stop “misinformation” often leads to censorship.
Its fair game because my comment got removed on lemmy.world for criticizing Israel.
Sounds like a challenge!
NATO is a defensive alliance and the Israeli government is filled with war criminals who need to be thrown in the Hauge
Edit: To the instance-blocked guy who replied that “Thrown in the Hauge” has a weird energy:
Fine, I missed a capital letter. But also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Penitentiary_Institution
I said worse things about USSR history and I still comment on political LM posts when I feel like putting effort, and don’t even care about the instance if the subject is neutral. Their users did appreciate deeper digs in what it really was if I could produce some insights. The only user\mod I had problems with is y-tos, and I choose not to touch anything they write at all.
i feel like .ml is kind of hit or miss, some of the people on it are fine, some are just assholes, and some are just straight tankies. It’s a weird mix going on over there.
Sometimes it isn’t bad. For instance the privacy community is generally pretty good. However, there are some mods who have a “different” way of seeing things. They want the communities they mod to be propaganda machines.
I used to get annoyed but now I just move on to different communities. I will say that the admins of Lemmy.ml have gotten a lot more reasonable. They are still politically far left but they don’t force there views nearly as much. Its some of the mods that are the problem. I don’t care what they believe in but you shouldn’t remove something because it challenges your beliefs
They’re not far left. They’re China/Russia shills. Authoritarianism isn’t far left.
Authoritarianism can be left or right
Because the discussion isn’t good, the instance admins themselves go from thread to thread removing anything that doesn’t agree with their chosen narrative of the week(subject to change according to the latest ccp talking points)
Because the discussion isn’t good…
Bro first line in the meme says “you see an amazing discussion”
Yeah, but then you see that the discussion is doomed because of where it’s happening.
I see this as an absolute win! The point of decentralized social media is that discussion happens across many different linked sites. It doesn’t work if lemmy.world is the only big site out there.
Sure have your beef with the admins of another server, but why get upset that discussions are happening there?
It’s only really a problem when comments get removed or people get banned because they have opposing views.
Pro palestinian comments get removed on lemmy.world. Some people have the same argument as you but about diametrically opposing idealogy
Have an example? It should be in the modlog.
As the top comment points out, they banned Linkerbaan. You could argue it was a public service.
I’m subbed to a handful of communities in .ml and it’s not that bad. I consider myself communist, but not of the tankie flavor. Authoritarianism is never a good thing.
If people don’t like those views, they shouldn’t wade in unless they’re willing to have a grounded conversation and not just drop a played out one-liner. I think the most recent uptick in complaints about .ml are because of how often it criticizes liberalism.
Lemmy instances are essentially forums. If I go to a conservative community and tell them all that Marx was right all along, I’m not gonna be surprised when I get banned. Complaining about mods is a tale as old as time itself.
Yeah lets ban discussion too eh.
That’s how I see .ml because you have to be in the cult and not question anything or get banned.
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Angry because you don’t want to see content from Lemmy.ml
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Angry because they don’t want to see your content either
:-/
Didn’t say that, like at all.
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They literally censor comments even in non political Communities.
Lemmy.ml is just a Propaganda-Machine.
I got banned there for stating an opinion and at that point I don’t really know what to do anymore. You have a handful of people who spout their one sided talking points into the void (probably) and if anyone says anything, they get banned.
They can have their bubble there but aren’t bubbles the fundamental problem of social media?
So they do nothing about broader and fundamental problems of social media which they should do as alternative social media platform.
What’s a better way to make our little community bigger and better that having pesky antagonisms over every little difference we can find.
We better centralize over a single instance of people thinking exactly like we do.
Big /S by the way.
And I’m not even from .ml but come’on, we share more than we disagree on.
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias and will literally ban you for not agreeing with their interpretation of Marxist-Leninist communism.
Bad faith “conversation” is their thing.
Many of their communities are becoming “the Donald” type situations.
You choose to socialize and mingle with who you want
I fully expect the MAGA mentality is fully transferable to any other far-left ideological group with a purity doctrine that is exclusive and abusive to outsiders.
This mentality is actually ideologically agnostic and will ride any wave it can to feed the emotional needs of the adherent.
How is that different from say news on .world?
They both ban on ideology.
The .ml instance has deliberately overt bias
My guy, you’re posting in a thread that’s just Overt Bias + Meme. I don’t think anyone here has room to talk
This is a meme.
I also don’t see anyone running around spouting misinformation here and deliberately misinterpreting history.
I also don’t see anyone get banned for their opinions here.
I got banned from a .ml meme/comic sub the other day for knowing more about world history than they did.
For calling the outright misinformation what it was and just generally not agreeing with them
Many .ml communities are becoming (or already are) their own little the_donald type communities.
ML is run by tankies, who historically infiltrate, corrupt, and eliminate anarchist projects with anti-socialist, anti-communist, and hierarchical methods and motivations. MLs are to Anarchists as a tapeworm is to a cow.
Edit: stay mad, tankies.
I disagree.
I’ve worked in actual political projects in the streets. And I haven’t found that.
You can be forever reading online why some people are the evil incarnated. But when you met and work with people for a common goal reality tend to be better.
Judging without truly knowing is one of the things we all should be striving to avoid. There are wonderful people everywhere.
I would recommend yo actually go participate in some common local political protects of you can find some. For me it was eye opening to see that despite one or two things we have common goals, objectives and very likewise minds.
I also refuse to participate in the endless split of the leftist space, and the never ending false divisions that only weaken us. So for a long time I’ve refused to identify with any particular leftist group. I am just for the common benefit of humandkind and will welcome anyone with the same goal.
You’re assuming a lot about me, typical of tankie apologia. You assert these things without evidence defying my own experience and the wisdom of history. Why should anyone trust you, and even if you’re not making it up, why should we ignore the weight of evidence that lies beyond your anecdotes?
You do you. I refuse to keep weakening our common political space for nothing. Because that’s what we’ll get if we keep dividing. Nothing.
You sound like an appeaser. If you want an imperfect ally, I recommend liberals. Less dishonest and not as likely to round you up in the middle of the night and put a bullet in your head. Liberals are also more numerous than tankies, less indoctrinated, and not usually as politically aware which makes them easier to educate. There’s no reason to side with tankies over liberals. Tankies also famously divide the left from liberals, probably because they realize if Anarchists can unite against their common enemy with liberals the tankies can’t leverage power away from the Anarchists.
Tankies aren’t even leftists, so don’t pretend that their spaces are leftist spaces.
Got any more names to call me? I’ve already got called tankie apologist, appeaser, anything else?. You have lots of names for those who think different than you. Also lots of hate, sorry for that.
You choose your allies. But don’t deny people working for the betterment of the working clase the name of leftists, please.
Edit: I just realized that by liberals you probably mean American liberals, democratic party and such?, not economic liberals? It can be confusing from people elsewhere. Anyway, american “liberals” let’s say the democratic party is cool in my book. Afaik also working for the betterment of their people. But not American so people over there may have a better understanding of those. Where I live the equivalent would probably be the socdems, which are of course allies of mine.
I feel no need to side between (american)liberals and communists. If some of those refuse each other it is their problem, I would consider both part of the left spectrum and be willing to work with each.
names to call me
I said what you sounded like and what your rhetoric was typical of, I didn’t call you any names. Here’s an actual name for you in particular: You are an asshole. You tried to call me out, assumed things of me that weren’t true, and now you’re pretending that I’m treating you unreasonably. Fuck all the way off.
I haven’t found Lemmy.ml to be all that objectionable. It’s not like they are hexbear.
stick to the linux subs and you’ll be ok over there. As soon as politics comes up, they go full tankie.
Check the mod logs from the shit communities there. They will full on ban you just for having a liberal perspective.
That place is hot garbage.
Try criticizing China’s government on one of their posts.
You don’t even have to. Most the time they’ll take whatever innocent topic/comment at had and somehow twist it into Russia/China Good, America/West bad.
Sometimes they delete them silently and purge the mod log. I received a message from an admin once telling me that they don’t know how, but somehow another admin had hidden my comment from everyone else without notifying me that it had been removed, and purged the logs. I could still see it, but nobody else could.
They can do that?
They’re not as bad as Hexbear, sure, but they’re constantly turning everything into a political discussion.
After spending a bit of time on communities based on their instance, you just get so sick of hearing about it.
Hexbear are vile, ML are just annoying.
Why are they vile?
hexbear is a circle jerk of neo tankie ass shittery.
If you show up in hexbear, and say literally anything moderately outside the scope of discussion you cop an immediate ban and get told to kys by like 12 people in about 12 seconds.
That was my experience at least.
Just like world?
world is better, there’s a lot more normies there. They’ll also generally talk with you rather then telling you to kys even if they yell at you while doing it.
I appreciate that part.
Go visit and see for yourself.
So no actual reason just continuing the rumor?
It would be extremely easy for you to pop in and see for yourself, if you don’t want to take my word for it.
As long as your sick to non political or historical communities, they are tolerable. Any deviation from above and you might as well be on hexbear.
So then why not just block those subs?
I did block entire hexbear and specific communities on ml. I just meant subjects in general.
Hex-bear is the reason I’m on Lemmy.world. That’s why I think people are overblowing the .ML drama.
You want to see tankies? Look at Hexbear
It is definitely worse on hexbear. However, if you look at the top posts on Lemmy.ml it is pretty bad.
This, but
lemmy.worldinstead oflemmy.ml:)No point in participating in political discussions on LW, as mods just label anything they don’t like as misinformation/propaganda/etc. 🙃
lemmy: fuck hexbear hexbear: >:( lemmy.ml: exists
