Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.
Oh nooooo.
I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.
You know they are in all of your cloud connected cameras, inside your home, inside your tesla, pretty much everywhere you have a camera… Definitely not just at your front door. The key thing to understand about the surveillance state is that they only acknowledge access of personal data if they intend to use it in a court room. Most of it is just used for spying, information gathering, and parallel construction if necessary.
Of course that happened, that happens every time when you buy things but then don’t own them.
I’ll buy cams for my home, but they’ll be for ME alone because they’re MY cameras, MY video.
Obligatory fuck Amazon and fuck the USA
Zoneminder/ Shinobi for Linux seems to be the software, and milestone is free up to eight camera channels if you only have a Windows box to run the cameras (I’m a dealer, so if you’re a Windows person and you get lost ask me how.)
This was the kick in the ass I needed. Removing that device tomorrow.
While your at it, dont buy from amazon
There was a time when I thought that was impossible… now I don’t even have an account
I think my wife keeps one because according to her (and I believe this is true) there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore. So far, I have been fine not buying something if it’s only on Amazon but I can see cases where that would be impossible.
Other than that, fuck Amazon right off
Oh look another smart technology I didn’t adopt for the exact reason being talked about. You can’t trust big tech to not collaborate with whoever it’s the most profitable to collaborate with.
It’s not really a trust thing. They are companies, not people. The top decision makers have a fubuciary responsibility to do whatever makes money. They can, and often do, get sued if they don’t. So you can expect them to sell you out. It’s literally thier purpose for existing.
- fiduciary
They are companies run by right wing shitbags. How many genocides were conducted on Facebook?
You can’t trust big tech to not collaberate with, big tech either. You don’t want them with your information, even if it’s not readily apparent how it could hurt you. Before you know it you could be in a fascist dictatorship and wondering how you got there, this is part of the reason. Or would be in that completely hypothetical situation that in no way mirrors our own situation with our dear most intelligent and not al all dickish supreme leader.
Are people going to start listening to their “paranoid” nephews yet?
Dammit, I fell for rings assurances of “only in response to a warrant”. Mostly out of laziness, but still …… I really am going to have to figure out self hosting a video doorbell, aren’t i
Sorry, wasn’t meant as a slight against you.
Remember people: Proprietary systems are never yours. And in this case, they own you.
Bare in mind that the government requires a warrant to obtain data against you, the barrier in which to get a warrant requires probable cause.
Obtaining data about you from a company only requires a subpoena if the company doesn’t cooperate.
BUYING data about you from the same company is completely allowed.
Until we get privacy laws, we are truly fucked.
It’s easy to do. Mine is a reolink piped through Home Assistant.
Ubiquiti offers a product that will do that out of the box iirc but I have no idea if it’s good.
Still ring has been handing stuff to the cops for years at this point. They only “stopped” recently and I guess started again.
Ubiquiti offers a product that will do that out of the box
- You need to host a controller for it. It needs the Protect platform to interface with. You can host that for free.
- The hardware is fine.
- The included app is marginal
- it supports onifv and can be added to blue-iris or frigate.
Only problem with the Ubiquiti offering iirc is that it offers no storage, you need a controller with storage installed.
I mean that is expected, though I guess that is my bias. I just meant that is was more “layman” than running your own storage system.
We can only hope these companies are treated as collaborators in the future.
How were collaborators treated the last time around though?
Volkswagen, Ford, UBS, and IBM are all doing pretty well.
Even the company that made the gas for hitlers gas chambers are still around
Zyklon-B, the pesticide used in the gas chambers, was still being manufactured, sold and used (for its intended pesticide usage) all the way up until the 2010s iirc.
and this was still under the Zyklon name.
Imagine all the jobs that would be lost if we stopped using zyklon b to gas undesirables! Wrings hands.
All those rocket engineers got cushy jobs with NASA too.
Not that it makes it any better, but at least they tried hiding operation paperclip. Hopefully indicating some kind of shame.
Volkswagen didn’t even change their name
Barely changed the logo
“Yeah we were the nazi car company who helped do the holocaust. That was a doozy. Anyways, wanna buy a nazi car?”
If you see what was done to VW, I think it makes sense though. Not really familiar with the histories of the others in relation.
Nike, Adidas
How was Nike involved? They didn’t exist until ~ the 70s I thought.
Sorry, Hugo Boss
You presumably mean that Hugo Boss ‘designed the SS uniform’ — which he didn’t, as he wasn’t a designer and the company wasn’t in fashion design until after his death. The uniform was designed by two dudes in the SS, and Hugo Boss’ company was one of many manufacturers contracted for production.
Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party, though.
Ah, that one makes sense.
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
It’s very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren’t the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
I understand that you’re expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.
App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don’t boost actual efforts to fight.
News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don’t come across many posts with actual solutions isn’t a it’s intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.
The problem is that you’re screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of “Fight!”. That’s not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
None of this stopped USians from endlessly writing on Reddit for the past four years that Russians should’ve overthrown Putin, and I didn’t see them helping plan a revolution.
All I’ve heard for 40 years of life is 2a this and 2a that. Turns out it was just an excuse for school shootings and gun nuts to keep their toys. Your answer is staring you in the face, whether you want to acknowledge or not is another thing.
Do you really believe the traditional channels will be of any use? Or have those already - long, long - been compromised?
Even if the channels had just been neutered yesterday, do yoy really think Trump would give back an inch? He’ll TACO all day on tariffs, but on human rights violations he is consistent - take and never return.
You’re platitudes are lovely, and in fairness, not even entirely incorrect. But what you, and eveidently millions and millions of Americans don’t seem to understand, is the milk has already been spilled. The how and the why are for scholars a hundred years from now to sort out. For today, tomorrow and the day after, y’all need to find a way to stop the continous slide. It’s not getting easier next week or the week after.
Label me WHATEVER you like that gets people’s ASSES IN GEAR. As angry as I am, amazingly enough I am still on your side. I should be flushing every bloody word an American speaks to me straight down the toilet after your Dear Leader and half the country shit on an ally in ways never seen before. Yet here I am, trying to propel you people to acknowlegde the real situation for what it is. Why is that? Truthfully, I’m selfish. I’d love to not have to take up arms to defend my border, but let’s be honest, that’s inevitable if Americans don’t clean up their own shit.
So before you come and tell me how smug and supercilious I’m being, take a moment to realize this - becuase of your people’s patently obvius shitty decisions, I have to enlist and potentially PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE to defend my country against an ‘ally’. Pardon me for not giving a fuck about your spineless response and pages of assinine commentary.
GO DO SOMETHING.
There’s a lot of armed people here willing to fight, but without some kind of organized call-to-arms (whether it be militias or state national guard), all that’s gonna happen is you’re going to be arrested and given a 20+ year prison sentence for assault on a federal officer with a deadly weapon. It’s easy to say you’d fight back, but a lot of us have families to provide for and can’t just throw away our lives like that.
Right now, we’re lacking leadership, and most democrats don’t have the balls to openly call for resistance. I don’t know what the future holds, but I feel we’re nearing a breaking point where we might start seeing armed resistance.
Have considered a plain old doorbel and a peep hole on the door?
Low tech, cheap, cheap to install, lasts a lifetime.
Heck, if safety is the concern, install a periscope. Yes, mirrora inside a tube, to get to see, from a distance, who is at the door.
You want footage? Photos?
Install a local camera. Like one of those that are setup by biologists to film animals in the wild. Triggered by motion sensing. Or talk with someone technically inclined and install a local system.
I like to know when a package arrives, and when someone has stolen it.
Doorbell cams are just too convenient. You already have power there. There’s footage and audio.
Of course, I’m technically inclined…
Make sure to put a cover on the peephole. There is some sort of lens or something that can allow someone outside to see through it.
I’ve disconnected the doorbell at every place I’ve lived in the last 10 years. If I’m expecting you I’ll be waiting and opening the door for you, everyone else can leave a message or find a different way to contact me
Absolutely this. Not many people understand this, especially not my gen (x) or older. Here they’re all pavlov’ed to open the door when it rings or answer the phone. I never do that.
I don’t answer the phone unless you are in my contacts list or I am specifically expecting a call.
If someone calls and doesn’t leave a voicemail or text, then it isnt important.
Filters out the junk (and often outright scam) calls.
Exactly. The important people know how to reach me, all others simply aren’t.
Fed ex and UPS with sign for packages.
These would generally fall under the “expected” category.
Yes, in the
threeninefourteen hour window they might show up in.I’m at work for most of that window. And when I miss it, they’ll try again the next day at the same time…believe it or not, I’ll be at work then too.
So nothing relevant to you at all, in these circumstances.
Not everything is about me. My comment was more tongue-in-cheek than anything.
More seriously, the tracking numbers usually narrow it down to an hour or 2 if you actually follow it. Given the once every few years that I have a package requiring a signature, I think I can handle it.
If it doesn’t use a BNC connector I don’t trust it
Or just use one of the hundreds of other brands that provide smart doorbells.
Honest question: what is the reason to have a doorbell of this kind?
In addition to “normal” uses, my kids got into the habit of leaving me messages on the camera when I’m in the office and they are leaving for school. I grew to love these messages.
Using Eufy with local storage. Don’t know whether anything gets stored to the cloud, but I guess data still passes through Eufy servers when I view the videos.
Tells you when a package arrived and when the neighbor stole it off your porch. Tells you someone rang the bell when not home and lets you remotely yell ant the door to door sales people.
I mean they’re useful, but I sure wouldn’t ever trust one connected to any sort of cloud.
I do have a UniFi door cam that records to a local hard drive. I like it. Ties in with my other cameras to watch my vehicle in my driveway.
- Not getting off the sofa. Video doorbell pops up on my watch, no matter where I happen to be, so I can immediately decide whether it can interrupt what I’m doing.
- Shut the hell up. Sometimes I turn off the chimes so I’m not bothered by yet another door to door sales drone. But I still have my watch in case whoever is at the door is legitimate
- Intercom. My kid sometimes want to tell me something without coming inside
- History. Yes, sometimes I want to scroll back through all motion trigger s in front of my door
- Wildlife. Minor feature but it is occasionally fascinating to see what animals amble in front of my door. I’m urban so it’s limited but we have turkeys and coyotes
If you can see it’s a salesperson you can ignore them but answer if it’s the mailman/UPS. Get notified that a package was dropped off… or that shortly thereafter some rando walks up to said package.
Think of it as a door-peephole-at-range.
Many.
If you get deliveries and they’re mishandled, you have a recording of it.
If someone comes to your door when you’re not home, you can talk to them.
You can also set up local AI alerts (AI here is mostly used for facial recognition) e.g. to alert you if your MIL comes around uninvited, or if your kids sneak out at 2am, and so on.
Once you begin appreciating a home CCTV camera setup (fully local mind you), you’ll see the benefit of having your doorbell video-ed up as well.
The idea of going back to a blind simple lock protecting my house, pets, and stuff is crazy to me - smart CCTV and an internet connected alarm system are so much better, plus there’s no “monitoring” cost like some folks pay. $40 so you can call the cops for me? No.
You can also set up local AI alerts (AI here is mostly used for facial recognition) e.g. to alert you if your MIL comes around uninvited, or if your kids sneak out at 2am, and so on.
That sounds awful. I’d rather just not, and avoid that mindset altogether.
Avoid the mindset that your kid might sneak out, or an unwanted guest might have shown up?
Ignorance may be bliss, but it certainly doesn’t stop shenanigans from happening.
How else can you have the pleasure of telling Jehovah’s Witnesses to go away when you’re not at home?
I was waiting for this reply!
I love those guys! Trolling them always makes my day. Asking if they are willing to help clean the house never fails to get them off my door.
What if they agree to clean if you just listen to them?
Never happened and I seriously doubt it ever will. But! I have a couple of maid outfits laying around if it ever does. I’ll listen if they comply with my request.
I’m more concerned about safety on my property than privacy. I use Wyze Cams. I’m fine with it.
You might want to consider a different brand:
“So violated”: Wyze cameras leak footage to strangers for 2nd time in 5 months
I saw that when it happened. I’m not really bothered by the fact that a random person somewhere may have seen my driveway. If it kept happening, sure. I don’t have the wherewithal and time to set up a camera on a server, and in this day and age I feel like some sort of security camera is necessary. There’s a serious case for privacy, but not all of us have the capability or concern that the echo-chamber on Lemmy does about immaculate privacy.
You’ll get downvoted for having this opinion here but it’s a real take. Everyone has their own level of privacy they’re okay with and yours is a bit lower than the average user here.
If you’re okay with the potential risk, then that is your own choice, no one is forcing you.
Thank you for understanding that. This platform assumes the whole world functions as they do and has no understanding for people who either just don’t care or lack ability.
You can have both. I have a 360 camera set up around my house that records to a local dvr. I can remote into it when I’m not home and I’m not supporting ghoulish companies like google or Amazon.
You can have both if you have the know how and time to do so. I’d rather just pay $60 a year and under $100 for the cameras. How does Wyze support Google and Amazon? I’m genuinely asking.
My bad, I mixed up wyze with nest, which google owns. Amazon owns blink and ring. I do know wyze was founded by former Amazon employees, which is definitely not the same as their being controlled or supported by Amazon. That said, you may want to read up on some of their security breaches, which have happened multiple times.
I’m aware. I just don’t care that some random person could see my driveway momentarily. If it kept happening, I would cancel.
It’s not just a random person, you’re opening yourself up to the government subpoenaing wyze and collecting information about you without your knowledge or consent. In a normal world with a responsible government that wouldn’t be a huge deal provided you’re not doing anything seriously wrong, but that ship has sailed as of late. Don’t let them incriminate you with a fishing expedition for convenience
oh wow that’s crazy. Why would they do that though? What does a fishing expedition mean?
Don’t buy anything from Amazon.
Here’s an archive link in case anyone else refuses to give Substack views due to their affinity for Nazis: https://archive.is/ns4Yq
Every liberal yuppie that got one of these things is an idiot and a hypocrite.
Everyone else who got one is an idiot, but goddamnit were these trendy amongst the hypocrite liberal yuppie crowd.
Reason #186729 why it’s insane to have no right to privacy in public.
Fun fact: Recording the public is illegal in Germany. Any private video camera must only be able to record your own property. If you do record (and store - smart doorbells without storage that are only active when they are rung are exempted) material you must have visible warnings (that others can see BEFORE being recorded) or else any evidence you collect is likely to be thrown out in court.
It’s the same here in Sweden. You’re definitely allowed to vlog and such, if you’re recording yourself, or general environment stuff for a purpose that’s okay. You aren’t allowed to surveil public areas. Naturally this also means that doorbell cameras can be perfectly fine, provided they don’t catch public spaces. If your door points sideways for example, and there’s a hedge blocking any public space, you’re fine.
If you’re in a flat and you’re recording the stairwell, well that’s illegal.
I remember last year when there was a trend of AI generated videos that depicted animals or people doing ridiculous and crazy things on doorbell cameras. Everyone was surprised at how realistic they looked but never questioned why there was enough training data of doorbell cameras to make them in the first place.
Not that relevant, but it makes it pretty clear how “private” this data was in the first place.
To be fair, a LOT of people voluntarily post doorbell videos on public sites like Facebook, X, Next Door etc. plenty for AI to scrape without even touching “private” brands.
Also, even this is vastly overstating how difficult that it would be.
You don’t need to train an entire network to make doorbell camera videos/pictures. There are techniques (like IP Adapters) that can take a single photo during inference and copy the style onto any other generated work. With applications like ComfyUI, this is a matter of dropping a node onto the generation graph and choosing a photo (or several photos), 3-4 clicks.
