Was tempted to call this “Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo” but a) A lot of Lemmy won’t get the OG reference. and 2) “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

Also, while it’s Trump’s 2nd debate of the season, it’s Harris’s first…

It’s being run by ABC News at 9 PM Eastern time, 6 PM Pacific, I see MSNBC starts their coverage TWO HOURS EARLY. That’s a lot of air time to fill, guys. Good luck!

Live updates, how and when to watch, debate rules, etc. here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/

Link to the first debate thread here:

https://lemmy.world/post/16973660

That’t it! Thanks for hanging with it everbody!

  • NegativeNull@lemmy.world
    5·
    9 days ago

    “Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

    — Former President Donald J. Trump

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    9 days ago

    The articles leading up to this were great. The punditry about how Harris couldn’t afford one little gaffe or she’s sunk.

    No one seemed to remember her from senate hearings. No one remembered that she was a fucking prosecutor. She made a career out of manipulating people into self-incrimination. Her livelihood was arguing people into corners they couldn’t escape. Exposing lies was her bread and butter. And she had to do so in a way that made it crystal clear to a dozen randos who were too dumb to get out of jury duty.

    And Trump is a stupid, vain, easily manipulated hothead who lies about everything.

    And the audience was American voters.

    This is familiar territory for Harris. She knows this place like the inside of her eyelids.

    • Professorozone@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 days ago

      Still, I think she could have fact checked him some more. I know it’s hard since his lies/min rate is so high, but it just feels like every lie that goes by, might be mistaken for fact.

      • keyez@lemmy.world
        1·
        8 days ago

        She could have but that should be the moderator’s or platforms job, which they did attempt for about 1/184th of the lies. She did all she needed to do very well

  • Skanky@lemmy.world
    4·
    9 days ago

    OMG Trump is off the rails and i absolutely love it!

    Moderator: "Just to be clear, you have a plan? "

    Trump: “I have concepts of a plan?”

    • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 days ago

      Tried to kill Obamacare 8 years ago but just now starting to come up with some… concepts … of a replacement plan

  • kescusay@lemmy.world
    3·
    8 days ago

    Morning after thoughts:

    • The memes from this one are already amazing. “Concepts of a plan” is going to haunt Trump until his dying day.
    • Trump usually dominates any conversation he’s in, simply by being the loudest one there. It often works for him. Last night, it worked against him, because he was loud about what Harris wanted him to be loud about.
    • In retrospect, the level of optimism Harris was able to maintain throughout was very impressive. She looked happy to be there, even when confronted by Trump’s obvious mental illness, and I don’t think she was faking it.

    I’m starting to have genuine hope for November.

  • kescusay@lemmy.world
    3·
    9 days ago

    So here are my thoughts:

    • First, the obvious: Harris won handily. She was in her element, and just thoroughly excoriated Trump at every turn, while maintaining an optimistic tone.
    • But at the same time, Trump is probably not losing any of his base over his abysmal performance. Most of them probably didn’t watch, and the few that did probably tuned out in favor of reading conservative bloggers’ desperate spinning about halfway through.
    • The real question is how off-putting he’s been for undecideds. He was pretty bad, but I’m aware enough of my own biases to wonder exactly how bad his behavior looks to undecideds.
    • On the issues, Harris didn’t really have a stumble. I was pleasantly surprised by how well she handled the issue of Israel/Palestine, for example.
    • The moderators get a B for following up questions, a C- for mic handling, and an A- for calling it out when Trump’s bizarre, rambling bullshit failed to even vaguely resemble an answer.

    All in all, I didn’t hate this (other than the sound of Trump’s face hole).

    • Vordimous@lemmy.ml
      1·
      9 days ago

      As an undecided, never trumper, Trump looked like an asshat. The oldest trick in the rhetoric books is to attack the person instead of the subject. A sure sign of weakness.

    • GladiusB@lemmy.world
      0·
      9 days ago

      I don’t understand how people think any of their bases will ever change. It’s always about the undecided. I am not mocking you. But it’s an obvious thing to me.

      • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
        0·
        8 days ago

        It’s not about the undecided. You’d have to have brain worms to be undecided when Trump is an option. Undecided right now is like choosing between a stale pile of dog shit and fast food and justifying it by saying “well fast food is pretty shitty”.

        It’s about getting people to VOTE. People who don’t usually vote need to get out and vote. That’s it. That’s what’s going to make the difference. Kamala has to mobilise reluctant voters.

        • GladiusB@lemmy.world
          0·
          8 days ago

          Did you read what I wrote? It is always about the undecideds. Bases hardly ever sway. I did a paper about it in college. I even received a high mark. Maybe you are responding to the wrong thread?

          • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
            01·
            8 days ago

            It’s not about the people who are undecided between Kamala and Trump. It’s about the people who are undecided between Kamala and not voting at all.

            • GladiusB@lemmy.world
              11·
              8 days ago

              You are over simplifying the problem to suit your needs. There are no facts to support it either. If more people vote it would help a little bit of each. Undecideds are the biggest percentages of voters. Something like 70 percent.

        • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
          01·
          8 days ago

          There are undecideds, though. Every election, millions and millions of people turn 18, and they were under 14 the last time this lunatic was in office, too young to really understand. Many may have been raised in conservative households and are just now forming their own opinions as they enter the real world.

          It’s about getting people to VOTE.

          And you’re absolutely right about this, which is why the right is desperately trying to make that as hard as possible right now.

          e: can’t spell

  • Knives@lemmy.world
    3·
    9 days ago

    In the post debate interview, Tim Walz just referenced Trump as an old man yelling at clouds. I love it.

  • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2·
    9 days ago

    Harris exceeded high expectations and Trump failed to meet incredibly low expectations.

    Let the spin begin, but I saw what I saw.

    • Alteon@lemmy.world
      1·
      9 days ago

      She’s been fucking relentless. She spoke to him directly about how terrible he’s been, I could hardly stay heated. That shit had to cut deep. She let each point sink in slowly…

      Trump’s going to need a burn unit after this…

      • kescusay@lemmy.world
        1·
        8 days ago

        This one was surreal to watch, too. On one side of the screen was a presidential candidate. On the other was a demented weirdo who thought immigrants were eating people’s pets and looked like he was angrily shitting himself the entire time.

  • kescusay@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 days ago

    “I have the concepts of a plan. I’m not president right now!”

    Holy shit, dude. You biffed that one hard.

  • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 days ago

    “i’m a gun owner, we’re not taking guns away.” strongest opinion from a democrat i’ve heard on this topic.

    • yeather@lemmy.ca
      04·
      8 days ago

      If only this was really true. She owns a handgun, but supports an “assault weapons” ban, and supports mandatory gun buybacks. Which is literally coming for your gun and preventing people from buying new ones.

      Best case scenario is she does nothing or expands background checks, the rest will hopefully be stopped by the supreme court and local police refusing to follow unconstitutional orders.

  • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
    1·
    9 days ago
    1. “Boogaloo” has been co-opted and carries an unfortunate connotation these days.

    I’m nowhere near ready to give up the fight on this one. Those bastards can pry “[Anything] 2: Electric Boogaloo” from my cold, dead hands.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldOPM
    1·
    9 days ago

    Really good energy this time around, but Jesus, Trump is exhausting to listen to. No wonder crowds leave his rallies early. :)

    Edit: Muted him, but I can hear my wife in the other room yelling “OH FUCK YOU!!!”