I’ve seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What’s happening?

  • enterpries@sh.itjust.works
    51·
    1 hour ago

    ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.

    lemmy.world is kind of run by pussies. They blocked the piracy sublemmy for no real reason other than that.

    It doesn’t surprise me they are butting heads. Hopefully the instances that allow interaction with both instances triumph over those that try to restrict access.

    • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      5 minutes ago

      They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.

      I wouldn’t phrase it at that. They’re fans of Russia, China, Iran, and pretty much any other country that’s antagonistic to the US. This regardless of whether said state is communist, especially Russia, which has become fascist under Putin’s rule.

      In short, the .ml owners are tankies

  • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
    516·
    7 hours ago

    Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.

    Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

    Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

    • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
      321·
      5 hours ago

      .ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.

      they don’t discuss and they don’t read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

      oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.

      I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      89·
      4 hours ago

      ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization

      for the record when people say ‘Death to America’ it’s wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.

      Concern about the ‘fall of Western civilization’ is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.

      also this isn’t limited to election seasons, death to america

      • Obinice@lemmy.world
        7·
        3 hours ago

        Death to America

        I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you’re quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that’s probably not cool beans, you know?

        • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
          53·
          3 hours ago

          I use she/her in case it doesn’t show up in your app.

          This isn’t quoting osama bin laden, it’s an Iranian slogan/expression.

          America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      326·
      6 hours ago

      Visit .world before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: .world will sell out as many Palestinians as it takes to buy political time in hopes of a blue wave that is definitely going fix everything and bring America™ back to its wholesome big chungus status.

      Whereas ML does not want to carry out genocide to buy time for pointless political waffling, go figure.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.world
        161·
        5 hours ago

        I really do love the tagging feature for the boost app, all I see is green tankie tabs everywhere when you guys show up.

          • SupraMario@lemmy.world
            4·
            2 hours ago

            Lol yea I’m the toothless one…the guy who’s probably been tagged by a lot of people here for being staunchly pro2a and advocating for my LGBTQ+ people to get trained and armed…yea

            • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              2 minutes ago

              for being staunchly pro2a

              Off topic, but there’s a LiberalGunOwners community if you weren’t aware. Not as active as it could, but still

  • bluGill@fedia.io
    264·
    6 hours ago

    ML is run by people who are not only communist, but also communists can do no wrong, capitalists can do no right. Just being communist most of us could live with, but the second is a problem. When someone cannot agree things like genocides that various communist governments are a bad it is really hard to have productive conversations.

    • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
      171·
      5 hours ago

      yes. the openly call for murder, theft, and various form of violence against their ‘enemies’.

      and if you suggest maybe that’s not such a great idea, they basically tell you that you should die too.

  • anothermember@feddit.ukEnglish
    50·
    8 hours ago

    I just want to add to the discussion that I think it’s perfectly healthy if two instances don’t like each other and/or have different outlooks - it’s the beauty of the fediverse and having decentralisation that they don’t have to agree on everything.

    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
      2·
      22 minutes ago

      It’s the authoritarian part LW disagrees with. I think the .world admins would have long defederated ML, but since the lemmy coders are situated on .ML, thats not such an attractive option. Desalines and Nutomic are hardcore tankies and bigots, which crush any dissenting voice on .ml. Even worse, if you want to support lemmy development, the finances of .ml and development budget are intertwined, so every donation for lemmy also supports tankies. It’s the reason i switched to piefed,

      If you want examples of how those two run their digital kingdom, take a look at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works - most posts are about .ml.

    • killea@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 hours ago

      I get more of an impression that people in general do not understand what they believe. There’s a lot of that in the post information era we live; its also an easy excuse to look down my nose at people of course lol.

  • potoooooooo ✅️@lemmy.worldEnglish
    492·
    8 hours ago

    The stereotype is that Lemmy.ml wants to play with Stalin’s balls. Lemmy.world wants to play with, I don’t know, Obama’s balls? With Bernie, Bill Clinton, and Reagan watching from the corner?

    Something like that, anyway.

  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
    313·
    8 hours ago

    Long-standing political differences and an extremely censorious moderation philosophy on Lemmy.ml means there is always tension. I’m not aware of any specific thing that has happened recently though.

    • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
      153·
      5 hours ago

      there was a big post yesterday about ‘rent is theft’ that had 100s of comments, that was mostly .world vs .ml users.

      the .ml users basically harassed and threatened the .world users who were talking about reasonable reforms on housing prices and the causes for housing price inflation. .ml users think if you talk about facts and reality you are part of the problem and that reality should be re-made such that private property no longer exists and every single person should leave in the same concrete housing blocks like they had in the USSR, or they should be shot.

  • Luci@lemmy.caEnglish
    205·
    7 hours ago

    I block ml users on sight so I didn’t even notice

    • makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml
      133·
      7 hours ago

      I dunno man. I just signed up as reddit imploded. I wasn’t thinking political ideology. I just needed a refuge. I’m happy, and grateful for my adopted home.

      • Luci@lemmy.caEnglish
        102·
        6 hours ago

        Tbh I blocked all ml posts from my all feed and started blocking ml users on sight for my own mental health

        I get in almost zero arguments online now and actually enjoy using this platform

        Sorry about the block. It’s not you, it’s your instance.

  • normonator@lemmy.ml
    102·
    6 hours ago

    I signed up for the developer’s instance because fuck reddit, and I do dev work.

    Server choice had nothing to do with any political shit. I barely knew what federation was at the time. Lemmy immediately proved there are as many bandwagoning idiots as reddit here.

    I have nothing to say about world though, I don’t use the platform that much.

    • OnfireNFS@lemmy.world
      7·
      4 hours ago

      I originally did this and ended up having to remake my account on .world. I just couldn’t stand the negativity and constant fighting on .ml. I was able to find a non-ml alternative to every community I was subscribed to. YMMV but it was completely worth it for me

      • enterpries@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        1 hour ago

        The fediverse isn’t going to be one all-encompassing thing like reddit. As time goes on, there will be different “sections” of the fediverse to accommodate people with different interests.

        Lemmy.world, being run by pussies, thinks that because they’re the largest instance right now that they get to dictate the direction the fediverse goes in. As more people wake up to their censorship, more instances will sprout up to resist it.

        It’s great that nobody is beholden to the decisions of either instance’s admins. That’s the beauty of the fediverse.

    • AskewLord@piefed.socialEnglish
      123·
      5 hours ago

      .ml users engage in a lot of violent fantasizing of mass murder and state sponsored violence until that everyone believes what they believe. basically everyone who isn’t a communist or anarchist, should die. and once everyone who isn’t a communist/anarchist is dead, the world will be a perfect utopia with no suffering. that’s their view.

      .world users aren’t screaming about murdering people.

    • Calfpupa [she/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1044·
      8 hours ago

      This post is a good example of said slander/infighting, as MLs are inherently not dogmatic, and having consistent values is painted as being homogenous.

            • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
              81·
              6 hours ago

              Not kidding, they’re everywhere. Those posts taunting Americans for not resisting? Russians. Those posts encouraging violence? Russians. Those posts urging you to give up, it’s already over? Russians. Those posts saying America will never do anything to punish MAGA? Russians.

              We saw it all over Reddit, before the 2024 election. I got real good at spotting them ( new account, nothing but negative posts, no care about downvoted, illogical arguments, just to argue and waste time, etc) and used to call them out by addressing their supervisors, knowing they were monitoring responses, saying I already pegged this new account as an obvious Russian Propaganda Farmer, and he’s doing such a terrible job that he should be sent to the beet canning factory instead. It was often that person’s last post, under that handle, at least.

      • Denjin@feddit.uk
        195·
        7 hours ago

        It’s literally called Lemmy.MarxistLeninist get your head out of Stalin’s arsehole.

        • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
          33·
          4 hours ago

          Omg you guys believe that?? The .ml is from Mali 😂 it’s because Mali domains were free for the longest time.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      5·
      4 hours ago

      Found the guy who’s political ideology can only be described by a fringe Indian faction of the TNO mod for Hearts of Iron 4.

    • enterpries@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 hour ago

      They do.

      Communists don’t have to lie or censor others to get their point across.

      Just tell the truth and more people would be sympathetic to their cause.

  • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zipEnglish
    59·
    6 hours ago

    They’re obsessed with each other. I wish they’d finally just bang, so all the hate-flirting wouldn’t show up in my New feed so much.

  • verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.frFrançais
    518·
    7 hours ago

    World is mostly usanian, it’s being used to drive people away from the class war ml advocates. Can’t get the billionaires if you’re fighting with each other. In that regard world is the billionaire’s tool, because it pushes people towards culture and identity wars instead of class war. ml being mostly European, has a different overton window, which clashes with World because anything that sounds like socialized healthcare for all, or the invasion of Iraq was wrong, is branded as tankie rethoric.