Maybe offer better compensation if you can’t find workers. No one wants to bust their ass all day for a shit wage. Unless they’re desperate.
day for a shit wage.
Underpaying Immigrants and Outsourcing both tech and design to China has rightfully fucked us. Smarter every day tried to make an OK grill brush here, it has to be $75.
I don’t like either of the answers the administration is providing to these problems (nor do I think they’re legitimately trying to solve them), But we’re going to dead end if we don’t do something about it.
Tax the rich, pay generous wages, focus on local manufacturing, fix pricing and force market competition.
Unless the system doesn’t oversee them, because then the standards of the system don’t apply to them, and they can be exploited.
Farmers can go fuck themselves for doing modern day slavery exploitation.
Oh, your profits were based on how little you can pay your employees? HOW ABOUT YOU SUCK MY FUCKING DICK.
“You reap what you sow” originates from farming wisdom. Just putting that out there.
It’s weird to think the agricultural workers, who can’t vote and don’t have legal status and are often living on subsistence wages, deserve to be snatched off the street and fed into a concentration camp system in order to deprive a few agricultural wholesalers of their profit margins.
I don’t see that as reaping what you sow at all. Fascism does not fall heaviest on the fascists.
Supporters of facism and their narcissism. Specifically, they use their privilige to moan about their own challenges, seemingly without much thought for those taken into concentration camps. They will only ever understand what hurts them.
Just buy a Musk-branded, doge- approved, exploding slave neck collar and perimeter fence kit. Keeps your child employees motivated, on-task, on-location.
get dog barking e-collars. When the kids beg for humane working conditions, they’ll be shocked into getting back to fucking work.
Proles hate this one easy productivity hack, the results will shock you!
Not too long ago, historically speaking, kids were in coal mines, chimney sweeps, etc
And Sarah Huckabee Sanders is trying very hard to get kids back into the workplace.
And she wonders why people hate her.
Arkansas is a failed state.
Finding new and different applications for the Musk RTO technology!
- Farmhands deported, can’t find replacements
- $200k labor grant suspended indefinitely
- Lost subsidies, making less money on product
- Tariffs jacked up equipment prices and repairs
- Depends on Medicaid, no insurance if it’s cut
Oh boy, way to seriously fuck yourself from every conceivable angle, smart guys. Sumo wrestler lookin leopards after this one.
Add that any products grown for trade are sitting unwanted in fields, or for aid rotting in warehouses because the government canceled the contracts for them. Food is often held in special warehouses where the oxygen is pumped out, but there aren’t enough of those to hold all the excess that was expected to be sent elsewhere
It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste
It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste
Yes. Yes, he is.
That’s just good old fashioned republican efficiency. These boys better get their bootstraps and figure out which conglomerate they’re gonna sell the farm to.
Big corpos probably lining up to strike a bargain rn
At least during Covid the farms were transporting food to churches/communities at lower prices. They literally have no one now to pick up the produce. Waiting on farms to start pick your own systems like blueberry farms.
This won’t work for orchards and tree based produce. One idiot falling off a cherry picker will ruin a small farmer
One more: China puts tariffs on agricultural products specifically, because they know what they’re doing.
Correction: every country has agricultural tarrifs to protect local farmers, except in extreme scenarios where populations are being starved or cannot produce food by themselves.
China put tariffs on us products from states that voted for trump, specially on soy beans IIRC.
This is just a gift for big farm.
Well yeah. Turns out people who aren’t in fear of being deported won’t work for a fraction of minimum wage paid under the table.
work for a fraction of minimum wage paid under the table.
The real irony here is that a lot of immigrant workers were here on legitimate visas, in fact a huge portion of the “illegal” immigrants who the Trump administration has deported were here on legit visas that he wantonly revoked, and were therefore paying taxes on the shite wages they were being paid. Taxes that the U.S. is now no longer collecting. Anyone wanna take bets on the deficit increase under Trump?
I mean, it’s not so much the fear of deportation so much as the fact that lower wages go farther in Mexico. Most Mexicans who illegally immigrate do so simply because it makes economic sense. If the wages were so low that it didn’t make economic sense to them, then they would simply return to Mexico voluntarily.
Is it still Mexicans that come over or has it changed to people from even poorer countries like Venezuela or Honduras?
You kind of lose that economic advantage when you’re not living in Mexico anymore. Plus a lot of people that come here don’t have a life to go back to and likely sunk everything they had into getting here.
A lot of immigrants accept a low quality of life here so they can provide a better one back in their home country for their family.
You mean that the job isn’t worth what you pay to do. They always pretend it isn’t the money. But of course its the money. If I’m going to work my ass off I expect better pay. Those immigrants were working their ass off for minimum wage and the farmers knew they were exploiting them.
Literally everything in America is about how much money you have, but God forbid you ask an employer how much they’re going to pay you. Because at your job what really matters is FAMILY. It’s like, give me a fucking break.
Does Vin Diesel own a farm?
Any pretty much any physical job comes with copious risks to your body and health, yet these types of employers typically don’t pay for employee health plans nor do they pay enough for employees to comfortably afford their own. Why would anybody want to risk severing a finger, breaking a leg, getting bitten by a dangerous snake, a nail to the hand, etc if they don’t have to, especially knowing they can’t afford the treatment and it could lead to lifelong pain and disability?
You think they’re making minimum wage?
There’s literally a sub minimum wage in a lot of U.S states. 2.13$ an hour iirc?
Probably not all of them. The ones I’ve had experience with were.
They mean that the workers are probably making less than Minimum Wage. There are exceptions to minimum wage for agricultural work. Minimum wage would have been an improvement.
Nothing about my statement was an argument requiring input from tom clancy.
I think those exceptions are made (, in principle,) to to let farm workers get paid per unit. They pack a crate, they get $3. They can probably pack 10 crates an hour if they work their asses off.
But I’m sure it is exploited egregiously.
These red voting MAGA fucks were receiving grants to hire labor and they claim socialism is bad. I have zero sympathy for their problems and this is another classic FAFO situation.
they claim socialism is bad
They mean compassion for the out-groups.
Yes but if the farm work doesn’t get done you are looking at the next thing which will be the great American famine, which I expect somewhere this summer. If the US food production falters and importing food is made very expensive though tarriffs, Americans are not going to have enough food.
It’s going to be like post revolutionary China in so many ways.
AND ITS ALL BIDEN’S FAULT!
/S, so you don’t think I’m one of those MAGA Nazis who actually, truly believe that.
Its actually Obama’s fault, still. I really don’t get how, but he (Trump) said he(Obama)'d nuke Iran. The deep state strikes again now is the time for peace etc all caps
/s :(
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I’m surprised that they haven’t considered using prison labour yet.
It is also ironic that people in the US criticize alleged slavery in other countries but ignore their agricultural economy
I’m pretty sure parts the US are actively using prison labor already. It varies by state, but I remember reading about one state where they were basically renting out prisoners to companies. I think they used the term “hiring”, but the money the company paid didn’t go to the inmate… The prison system has been one of the larger atrocities in the US for a while now.
Prisoners make something like a quarter an hour.
They’ll start calling to use prison labor soon enough. Prisons are commercial facilities anyway and could use some cash. And there are more African American in prison proportionally so that’s a bonus for MAGA. Police will get their cut for putting more people in prison. That way the new racist slave labor gets established.
That is already happening at scale
That’s definitely the plan, and they’ll be using private, for-profit prison companies. One is a facility in Louisiana that has been closed twice due to abuse and torture of inmates, and has been reopened as an ICE facility they’ve been stashing the students arrested for pro-Palestinian protests there. The Columbia student who just got released was being held there.
They are also building a 30,000 bed facility at Guantanamo Bay. The $250 million dollar contract has been awarded, and it’s underway. For context, the average maximum security prison hold 800-1200 people, with the largest in Angola, LA holding about 8400. So this new facility is nearly 4 times larger than the largest prison, which is already several times larger than average. Clearly, they intend to house MANY people there.
It’s my belief that they will eventually take the position that if you can’t stay actively employed (due to AI, robotics, automation, discrimination, etc.) and require the help of the government to survive, then they will house and feed you in exchange for renting you out as slave labor. That way, they can say they solved the homeless problems, even though all they did was turn them into slaves.
And the MAGA followers will go along with it, happy that the “parasites” are being forced to work. Besides, they’ve been hoping for slavery to return since 1865. The only legal slavery in America is prison labor, and like MAGA always does, they intend to exploit the shit out of that Amendment.
pulls up investment app
Any idea what terribly evil corporations own these hellish places?
The Wackenhut company was one, and they’ve re-branded as GEO. They’re the ones operating the problem prison in LA I wrote about.
I wouldn’t mind being a crop worker…provided I get at least minimum wage, breaks, healthcare, and reasonable quotas that ensure my wellbeing.
…crickets…
I’ve done a lot of seasonal field scale farm work, mostly in Europe - it can be extremely hard work. Couldn’t do it now, you have to be pretty fit.
Which probably means that it would have to pay significantly above minimum wage. But, farmers were getting that labour for below minimum wage because they had the luck to be able to use workers who had no other options.
Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour.
Good luck with that.
I would assume they were joking. Why you would do anything for minimum wage is beyond me
Wasn’t joking. Still, I would much prefer a living wage, like what we see from old-timey videos, where a single person can support a household and feel happy about their fiscals.
If only people would be willing to pay for that at the market…
Something like 80% of the prices you pay at a grocery store go to middle men. Farmer is only about 11%, IIRC.
Might be even less depending on your produce, also keep in mind that farmers don’t have the same costs every year nor the same yields. A bad year can totally finish them in a bad economy.
I swear I said “market”…
If only the parasitic middlemen were willing to reduce their ridiculous profit margins…
Nowadays you can circumvent middlemen in a lot of cases (if you live in the center of a big metropolis probably not, but the you -need the middlemen). Farmers market, bulk orders or weekly markets are all decent options.
Good point
Here’s one of San Francisco’s :) just wonderful when the sun is shining
That’s why governments subsidize agriculture, to keep the price down.
So Walmart strategy, the government should subsidize my company so I can pocket the profit!
This is part of the plan. Small farms will be run out of business and then bought for a low price and consolidated by mega farms.
Big Agriculture wants this and lobbies for it to happen.
What a coincidence that the VP has a financial interest in independent farms going bankrupt.
I definitely believe this, but do you have a source I can point to for others?
The company is called AcreTrader
Snopes is appalling.
So Vance owns a fraction of a company that owns a fraction of a company that allows fractional ownership of farmland. They can only sell to accredited investors so the headline is false but snopes don’t have the balls to admit it.
I’m not saying he has no interest in making farmland cheap, but Tarrif insider knowledge is multiple times more profitable than trying to influence farmland prices through labor costs.
Something something Hilary Clinton and uranium. Funny how that was a big issue until it went through anyway and wasn’t. It’s almost as if these crooks aren’t serious
Another 80s reboot
Maybe these morons should stop voting to remove their employees. Too smart for these MAGAts.
Its truly incredible.
Their response will just be to fold, to literally sell the farm, and also at the same time never even be cognizant of the fact that they got exactly what they voted for, that Trump repeatedly said he was going to do exactly this, that lefties screamed about Project 2025 and the resounding response was basically ‘pff, he’s just bluffing,’ and then making up a fan fiction version of what Dear Leader will actually do.
They’re just gonna revert back to the ‘no one wants to work’ mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.
These idiots didn’t even realize how dependant they were on so many massive subsidy programs untill they poofed out of existence, again, 100% in line with Trump’s platform.
Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?
Literally the world’s sole super power 20/30 years ago, and in a single generation we have destroyed ourselves in almost every way possible, short of just nuking ourselves.
Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?
Well, the Khmer Rouge killed everybody who wore glasses because they were “intellectuals,” China killed millions trying to force city kids to become farmers during the Cultural Revolution, and I’m pretty sure other autocratic totalitarian governments have fucked themselves in similar ways. Usually when societies become illiberal, people with brains are the first to be put up against the proverbial wall.
Just to add a point - if the farmers do end up folding and selling off, who’s going to buy the land? My money would be on large corpos.
Yes, it would 100% be large corpos that more or less run and own many farms that same way large landlords run 10s or 100s or 1000s of apartments / rental homes.
Sorry, I had thought this was so obvious it didn’t need to be directly stated, but yeah, it’s not a bad idea to be more explicit and more clear.
Bill Gates owns 270,000 acres of farmland already.
they tried it with prisoners already, they arnt doing it because they are already in jail, why work when you have all the ameneties provided for you, and it barely affects your sentence.
Much like how it is very easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over the homeless, it is also easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over prisoners.
The US Constitutional + Ammendments explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime you’ve been convicted of.
The Supreme Court has now repeatedly just thrown all prior existing legal case precedent out the window and just made such nakedly hypocritical rulings that its fair to say they are a completely biased and arbitrary institution.
The rule of law in the US is dead, is a farsical joke.
Some state will just pass a law that says uh hey, if you’re a prisoner in a facility in our state, and the state has some kind of extraordinary need, we can force you into involuntary labor.
Then other states will copy this once it passes one state’s court, then in 6 months-ish it’ll get to the Supreme Court who will say yep, checks out, carry on, and then every other red state and half the blue states will do it as well.
I am not 100% sure this will happen, but it is very, very plausible. 95% sure something like this will happen within 5 to 10 years, possibly less.
Also… its illegal to be homeless now, and the economy is crashing. Get foreclosed on, can’t pay rent, end up in the streets, living in your car?
Yep, why not crack down on that like ICE is cracking down on migrants, now you’re convicted of being homeless, the punishment is a few years of forced labor.
A few years? Optimistic, are we?
Dude what? Our Constitution literally allows for us to continue slavery as a punishment. Why the fuck would you ever think they had a choice?
What’s that? Southern states running on cheap labour can’t cope with the loss of that labour? Where have we heard that before?
Fool me once and all that, but they actually voted for it this time round…
It’s not just Southerners who are the bad guys here. A huge amount of liberals are ecstatic to exploit cheap migrant labor as well.
Capitalism exploits cheap labor everywhere around the world. It’s a feature of the system.
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Repeat with me, class: There are no bad jobs, only bad conditions
No shit jobs only shit wages.
There are people who literally shovel congealed fat out of sewers, that’s definitely a shit job.
They get paid a ridiculous amount though.
No this can only be spoken by those in profound ignorance or utter stupidity. There are bad jobs. Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that. There will always be shit jobs.
Kind of a bad argument. “Look up sewage cleaner in India” implies that there are sewage cleaners elsewhere with better jobs. Making the problem with being a sewage cleaner in India a bad condition.
Ironically I agree with you. Some jobs are way better than others, making some jobs bad and some good. A garbage man will always be a worse job than an ice cream taste tester barring absurd caveats. it’s just funny to me that your argument explicitly implies a problem with job conditions.
Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that.
That’s just untrue. There is definitely some amount of money worth it.
For sure. If I got paid a million dollars a week I would do it for a couple weeks to then not have to work again the rest of my life lol. But seriously, there are lots of jobs that don’t pay what they should for how crappy the work is
